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Hi, how is the standing now after worlds?
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Karen-W

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Here's the table I have -

GP/GPF/JPG Man 1GP/GPF/JPG Man 2GP/GPF/JPG Woman 1GP/GPF/JPG Woman 2GP/GPF/JGP Pair 1GP/GPF/JGP Dance 1ISU Champ Man 1ISU Champ Man 2ISU Champ Woman 1ISU Champ Woman 2ISU Champ Pair 1ISU Champ Dance 1TOTAL
USA8003248003245258001200574120087570912009331
MalininTorgashevGlennLevitoKamOShChoBatMalininBrownLiuLevitoEfiMitChoBat
JPN720648720648720148972709108097212004028939
KagiyamaSatoChibaSakamotoMiuKihKishTamKagiyamaSatoSakamotoChibaMiuKihYoMori
ITA5832623241825837204653395513399728756195
GrasslRizzoGutmannPezzettaConMacGuigFabMemolaGrasslPezzettaGutmannConMacGuigFab
FRA4724002362252364728757872932753625745207
AymozSiao Him FaSchildGladkiLes KovsLopBriSiao Him FaAymozSernaSchildLes KovsLopBri
CAN21316426219140058330526441832578710804992
RakicBondarSchizasRuiterSDDesLajLagSadovskyNewnhamSchizasDupuisSDDesGilPoir
GEO29219116464829251707562958754654495
EgadzeGubanovaGurgenidzeMetBeruDavSmoEgadzeSupatashvili - jrGubanovaGurgenidze - jrMetBeruDavSmo
KOR324250324262021363844651746502003639
ChaSeoC KimYunn/aLimQuanChaHy KimH LeeC Kimn/aLimQuan
GER20314880021302660010802472957
GartungGerkeMiNikiJvRStefStarostinGartung - jrIsaevGerke - jrMiNikiJvRStef
 

zebobes

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While I will miss team Korea, they really need to get their rest and recovery in. And Gubanova can have a happier end to her season!

Wait, if the invitation is based on World Standings, does this mean that even though Alysa is the World Champion, she won't be invited to go? How will they pick the US women when they are all on such equal footing?
 
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Karen-W

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While I will miss team Korea, they really need to get their rest and recovery in. And Gubanova can have a happier end to her season!

Wait, if the invitation is based on World Standings, does this mean that even though Alysa is the World Champion, she won't be invited to go? How will they pick the US women when they are all on such equal footing?
The Announcement is here -


It doesn't explicitly state that the entries must be according to World Standings - what it says is if the fed doesn't select their highest ranked skaters then the entire fed can be disinvited & the next fed on the list will be invited. In practice, that isn't how it's worked in the past - we were discussing it in the US Women's thread & someone pointed out that the USFS sent Gracie Gold when she was our Jr Champ but not one of the 2 highest ranked US women.

I'd be shocked if Alysa & Amber don't wind up being the US selections for the Women. With them going 1-2 at Nationals, Alysa winning Worlds & Amber winning the GPF, it would be hard to complain about them getting the nod over Isabeau, despite her being the highest ranked of the three. Heck, even Bradie & Elyce are higher ranked than Alysa, lol.

Projected Women's Entries -
USA - Liu, Glenn
Japan - Sakamoto, Chiba
Italy - Gutmann, Pezzetta
France - Schild, Serna
Canada - Schizas, Dupuis (Ruiter is higher - 54 v 78, but Dupuis is their reigning silver medalist & was the highest Canadian woman at 4CCs)
Georgia - Gubanova, no #2 woman

Projected Men's Entries -
USA - Malinin, Brown (please, make an argument for Pulkinen WS 20 over Brown WS 24, lol)
Japan - Kagiyama, Sato
Italy - Memola, Rizzo (WS 9 v Grassl WS 14)
France - Siao Him Fa, Aymoz
Canada - Sadovsky, Chiu or Rakic (WS 41 v WS 46 - I'd send Chiu, if he's healthy, so he can try to move up the SB list)
Georgia - Egadze, no #2 man

Projected Pairs Entries -
USA - Efimova/Mitrofanov (Chan/Howe WS 12 & Plazas/Fernandez WS 16 are higher, but PlaFern are just coming back from his surgery & ChanHowe could have earned it by skating better at Nats)
Japan - Miura/Kihara
Italy - Conti/Macii
France - Kovalev/Kovalev
Canada - Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps
Georgia - Metelkina/Berulava

Projected Ice Dance Entries -
USA - Chock/Bates
Japan - Yoshida/Morita
Italy - Guignard/Fabbri
France - Lopareva/Brissaud
Canada - Gilles/Poirier
Georgia - Davis/Smolkin
 

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The Announcement is here -


It doesn't explicitly state that the entries must be according to World Standings - what it says is if the fed doesn't select their highest ranked skaters then the entire fed can be disinvited & the next fed on the list will be invited. In practice, that isn't how it's worked in the past - we were discussing it in the US Women's thread & someone pointed out that the USFS sent Gracie Gold when she was our Jr Champ but not one of the 2 highest ranked US women.

I'd be shocked if Alysa & Amber don't wind up being the US selections for the Women. With them going 1-2 at Nationals, Alysa winning Worlds & Amber winning the GPF, it would be hard to complain about them getting the nod over Isabeau, despite her being the highest ranked of the three. Heck, even Bradie & Elyce are higher ranked than Alysa, lol.

Projected Women's Entries -
USA - Liu, Glenn
Japan - Sakamoto, Chiba
Italy - Gutmann, Pezzetta
France - Schild, Serna
Canada - Schizas, Dupuis (Ruiter is higher - 54 v 78, but Dupuis is their reigning silver medalist & was the highest Canadian woman at 4CCs)
Georgia - Gubanova, no #2 woman

Projected Men's Entries -
USA - Malinin, Brown (please, make an argument for Pulkinen WS 20 over Brown WS 24, lol)
Japan - Kagiyama, Sato
Italy - Memola, Rizzo (WS 9 v Grassl WS 14)
France - Siao Him Fa, Aymoz
Canada - Sadovsky, Chiu or Rakic (WS 41 v WS 46 - I'd send Chiu, if he's healthy, so he can try to move up the SB list)
Georgia - Egadze, no #2 man

Projected Pairs Entries -
USA - Efimova/Mitrofanov (Chan/Howe WS 12 & Plazas/Fernandez WS 16 are higher, but PlaFern are just coming back from his surgery & ChanHowe could have earned it by skating better at Nats)
Japan - Miura/Kihara
Italy - Conti/Macii
France - Kovalev/Kovalev
Canada - Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps
Georgia - Metelkina/Berulava

Projected Ice Dance Entries -
USA - Chock/Bates
Japan - Yoshida/Morita
Italy - Guignard/Fabbri
France - Lopareva/Brissaud
Canada - Gilles/Poirier
Georgia - Davis/Smolkin
Daniel Grassl said in an interview yesterday he's going to WTT
 

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I'd love to see Chock/Bates decline. Car/Pon would benefit far more from the experience and the cash. Madi and Evan would get time for a nice vacation and an early start on much better programs for the Olympic season.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing both ChoBat and GilPoir decline. They probably won't, since they're both booked on the SOI Japan spring tour, but your rationale is solid. It would be a fun experience for both CarPon and LajLag.
 

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For what it's worth, Grassl is the highest Man from ITA in the World Rankings: he's 7th vs. 10th for Rizzo and 11th for Memola.
https://results.isu.org/ws/wr2024-25/wrmen.htm

Since that's this year only, it's a good argument to use those as well.

But considering that this is a cheezefest team event with SB and $$$ benefits and made for the Japanese audience, bypassing the WS or WR for skaters who are popular in Japan and/or had great results in the last week at Worlds is a smart move.
 

Karen-W

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For what it's worth, Grassl is the highest Man from ITA in the World Rankings: he's 7th vs. 10th for Rizzo and 11th for Memola.
https://results.isu.org/ws/wr2024-25/wrmen.htm

Since that's this year only, it's a good argument to use those as well.

But considering that this is a cheezefest team event with SB and $$$ benefits and made for the Japanese audience, bypassing the WS or WR for skaters who are popular in Japan and/or had great results in the last week at Worlds is a smart move.
Interesting... Going by the 24-25 World Rankings - here's who would be the top ranked entries from each country:

Men -
USA - Malinin, Sanchez
Japan - Kagiyama, Sato
Italy - Grassl, Rizzo
France - Siao Him Fa, Aymoz
Canada - Sadovsky, Rakic
Georgia - Egadze, no #2 age-eligible man

Women -
USA - Liu, Glenn
Japan - Sakamoto, Chiba
Italy - Gutmann, Pezzetta
France - (Gladki - age-ineligible) Schild, Serna
Canada - Schizas, Dupuis
Georgia - Gubanova, no #2 age-eligible woman

Pairs -
USA - Kam/O'Shea (injured), Efimova/Mitrofanov
Japan - Miura/Kihara
Italy - Conti/Macii
France - Kovalev/Kovalev
Canada - Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps
Georgia - Metelkina/Berulava

Ice Dance -
USA - Chock/Bates
Japan - Yoshida/Morita
Italy - Guignard/Fabbri
France - Lopareva/Brissaud
Canada - Gilles/Poirier
Georgia - Davis/Smolkin

ETA - I would in no way be averse to the USFS sending Jacob instead of Jason - no time like WTT to get his quest for a 2026 Olympic spot started; but I feel like the USFS is probably going to disregard the standings & select Jason because of his immense popularity in Japan and I don't think the ISU will tell them no. But, Jacob also has solid credentials with his JGPF title.
 
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That might explain the "in" that Kam/O'Shea are now out of, due to his injury. I could never underestimate the knots USFS will tie themselves into to get the result they want, although this is something they couldn't control.

I would never wish for an injury, but given one, huge fun and $$$ for Efimova/Mitrofanov.
 

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That might explain the "in" that Kam/O'Shea are now out of, due to his injury. I could never underestimate the knots USFS will tie themselves into to get the result they want, although this is something they couldn't control.

I would never wish for an injury, but given one, huge fun and $$$ for Efimova/Mitrofanov.
I really want to see E/M hit their programs in the same competition. Maybe it will happen at WTT. They were my favorite programs this year by the U.S. pair teams by far.
 

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Where can I find that information?
This is what Jackie Wong posted on Bluesky (and I shared in the Sekret thread)
 

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Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing both ChoBat and GilPoir decline. They probably won't, since they're both booked on the SOI Japan spring tour, but your rationale is solid. It would be a fun experience for both CarPon and LajLag.
Very difficult as a hard-working athlete to decline good $$$, as well as a trip to Japan. As you know most if not all skaters very much enjoy performing in Japan.
 

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ISU confirmation of the 6 teams who will be competing at WTT -


Georgia doesn't have a 2nd senior age-eligible man that we know of - their only other man who has competed internationally this season is Konstantin Supatashvili, in juniors. He's not senior age-eligible until next season. Of course, Morisi is still skating professionally, so there's nothing stopping the Georgian fed from asking him if he wants to participate & have an easy payday.

Looking over their list of junior women, they do have one who is already senior age-eligible, Ekaterine Iazadzhi. She really would be there for an easy payday, seeing as her SB & PB is 109.37 at JGP Riga last fall.
 

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Ilia, Alysa and Amber talked with Japanese media about their expectations for WTT.
(Yes, Alysa is going!)

 

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