Heavy cream and food poisoning?

[skateboy]

Okay, so last night I made a cauliflower casserole with onions, spices, cheeses, heavy cream and panko bread crumbs. Sounds good, yes? And it is!

My issue: I cooked it thoroughly for well over an hour in my roasting pan at a high temperature (about 400 degrees) and, before going to bed, I turned off the roasting pan and left it in there overnight. Eight hours later, I took it out and refrigerated it. About an hour ago, I ate some of it... delicious!

Then, it suddenly occurred to me... there was heavy cream in the recipe (about 1 1/2 cups) and now I'm concerned about food poisoning. I just didn't even think about it beforehand (dumb, I know.) Anyone know anything about this? Any chance I will be fine? The last thing I want is food poisoning (as if anyone would want it!).

 

[BittyBug]

Food poisoning comes from bacteria. If it was thoroughly cooked and you did not touch it before you refrigerated it, the dish should be fine as the cooking would have killed all bacteria.

 

[Scrufflet]

Okay, so last night I made a cauliflower casserole with onions, spices, cheeses, heavy cream and panko bread crumbs. Sounds good, yes? And it is!

My issue: I cooked it thoroughly for well over an hour in my roasting pan at a high temperature (about 400 degrees) and, before going to bed, I turned off the roasting pan and left it in there overnight. Eight hours later, I took it out and refrigerated it. About an hour ago, I ate some of it... delicious!

Then, it suddenly occurred to me... there was heavy cream in the recipe (about 1 1/2 cups) and now I'm concerned about food poisoning. I just didn't even think about it beforehand (dumb, I know.) Anyone know anything about this? Any chance I will be fine? The last thing I want is food poisoning (as if anyone would want it!).

Food poisoning hits fairly quickly from my experience. You will have a spinning head and be unable to stand. As it wears off (usually a few hours later) and you'll be able to manage toast and tea. If you are still worried, I suggest you contact someone who can take care of you, keep phone and water close by. I'm a "disaster planner" by nature so this is what I'd do. Probably not a problem but your worry might make you sick! We've left things out overnight with no ill effects. If you are in the middle of a heat wave there might be some cause for concern. Take care!

 

[hanca]

I am somehow not seeing why you would get food poisoning. It is common to leave food get colder before putting them to fridge, so I can’t see any harm that you left it overnight.

 

[moebius]

I've eaten food left out for several days with no problems. I drink spoiled milk all the time with no problems.

 

[skateboy]

Thank you for the reassurance, @BittyBug , @Scrufflet , @hanca and @moebius . It's been over five hours and so far, so good. So I think I'm out of the woods.

I've had food poisoning three or four times in my life (always from eating out), but it's been at least twenty years. I do remember being horribly sick, not a pleasant experience.

But, as a safeguard, I will be more careful in the future. By the way, if the above casserole sounds good, I highly recommend it! (And it's low carb.) I also added chicken broth and a little Worcestershire sauce to the recipe (which was my own creation). Thanks again, everyone, much appreciated.

 

[Japanfan]

I had food poisoning once, over 40 years ago, and it was so awful that I've never forgotten it. I actually had to go to the hospital to rehydrate.

I also wouldn't worry too much, Skateboy. But Mr. Japanfan might see it differently. He works in group homes where 'Food Safe' rules apply. I like food at room temperature and like to graze. If I want him to just leave a tuna casserole on the counter for a few hours, he gets uncomfortable.

But I've done it many times and not got food poisoning.

 

[Rob]

When I have had food poisoning, I have usually started feeling cold and shivery within about 2 hours of ingesting bad food -- and the stomach effects hit within 4 to 6 hours. A mild case can hit later than that if it doesn't upset the stomach too much; but the effects hit once it has traveled through the intestines.

My husband is a chef and he won't put cream based dishes right into the fridge hot as the extreme temperature change can sour the cream. He lets it cool, then stores it -- and he's had a lot of food safety training.

 

[Scrufflet]

Thank you for the reassurance, @BittyBug , @Scrufflet , @hanca and @moebius . It's been over five hours and so far, so good. So I think I'm out of the woods.

I've had food poisoning three or four times in my life (always from eating out), but it's been at least twenty years. I do remember being horribly sick, not a pleasant experience.

But, as a safeguard, I will be more careful in the future. By the way, if the above casserole sounds good, I highly recommend it! (And it's low carb.) I also added chicken broth and a little Worcestershire sauce to the recipe (which was my own creation). Thanks again, everyone, much appreciated.

Good to know! Be healthy!

 

[clairecloutier]

Just FYI, the official recommendation is to never leave cooked food at room temperature longer than 2 hours.

https://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/basics/mistakes/index.html

People's actual experiences may of course differ from the recommendation, but I just thought I'd pass it on.

 

[skateboy]

Just FYI, the official recommendation is to never leave cooked food at room temperature longer than 2 hours.

https://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/basics/mistakes/index.html

People's actual experiences may of course differ from the recommendation, but I just thought I'd pass it on.

Thanks, @clairecloutier . Fortunately I didn't get food poisoning, but better safe than sorry. I'll be more careful next time.

 

[StasiyaGalustyanLove]

Wow, I leave this sight for a few weeks and come back to find two new talks on cream! This is a subject that is near to me and my wife, but especially me due to my back ground and days of being stationed with other seamen. I am confused though, spoiled milk? I can see drinking expired milk if it does not smell like musty mens locker rooms, but to drink spoiled milk on purpose seems as if something on that TV program about people who horded things! Actually there was a doctor on that show with a very strong look similar to Tonia Harding.

http://anxietytreatmentexperts.com/dr-robin-zasio/

My wife does not look like Tonia, thank heaven's for that! Some say she does look like the woman who sang "What's Going on" in the 90's, a complement of course!

 

[bernetec]

No one here mentioned first aid for food poisoning. What should I take to get better?

 

[Cachoo]

No one here mentioned first aid for food poisoning. What should I take to get better?

I have that question as well. I am a little amazed by the stomach’s violent determination to rid itself of poison. Your body goes to war. Impressive but what a miserable experience.

 

[Rob]

No one here mentioned first aid for food poisoning. What should I take to get better?

I’ve never taken anything other than fluids to try to keep hydrated, but most everything comes back up until the stomach is satisfied it’s done.

 

[Deleted member 1204]

You can actually get food poisoning two different ways, either from bacteria themselves or from a toxin produced by certain bacteria. The oven heat would probably kill the bacteria but not necessarily a toxin. Either way, symptoms should develop within a few hours. You are probably going to make it. There is no specific treatment, just maintaining hydration.

 

[barbk]

OK, now that you don't seem to be keeling over from food poisoning...the recipe, please? It sounds delish!

 

[Sylvia]

OK, now that you don't seem to be keeling over from food poisoning...the recipe, please? It sounds delish!

After 4+ years (since this thread was created), @skateboy may not remember the recipe?

On a related note, is someone planning to start a Thanksgiving food thread in OTBT this year? Last year's is here: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/thanksgiving-menus-and-recipes.108982/

 

[Vagabond]

On a related note, is someone planning to start a Thanksgiving food thread in OTBT this year? Last year's is here: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/thanksgiving-menus-and-recipes.108982/

Not after reading the suggestion in the food poisoning thread!

 

[bernetec]

By the way, this is a good topic to consider this discussion completed. Everyone shared their experiences with food poisoning, but no one told us how to deal with it, lol. I would suggest you have some drugs in your first aid kit to facilitate digestion. For example, Festal can be included in this group, it's easy to find at aptekastore.com. Also, pay attention to Pancreatin and Pantoprazole to reduce stomach acid. And, of course, you shouldn't forget about Loperamide. At least this set will be enough for you if the poisoning is not serious. But I consider it the right decision to consult a family doctor for a detailed consultation because some drugs may not be suitable for you.

 

[skateboy]

OK, now that you don't seem to be keeling over from food poisoning...the recipe, please? It sounds delish!

Can't remember that one specifically but, coincidentally, I made a Cauliflower Gratin just today. So good! I used this recipe:

Cauliflower Gratin

Get Cauliflower Gratin Recipe from Food Network

www.foodnetwork.com

 

[Deleted member 1204]

Loperamide.

I would actually recommend against using loperamide in most cases. It's used to "treat" diarrhea (it acts on opioid receptors in the intestines to slow down bowel movements). However, diarrhea is probably helpful in this case - it helps the body to get rid of the bacteria or toxin. Also, in higher doses, loperamide can cause cardiac dysrhythmias and even death. I would instead focus on increasing your oral fluid intake as much as possible.