WJC24 Junior Men FS

[airgelaal]

Notre Dame De Paris
Epic end to the junior season

 

[skatingguy]

Why could Pitot do 3 3A`s? First in combination, 2nd popped, and then a last one later. I thought 2 was the limit for a jump.

Because he did 2 in fact

Attempts only count if you rotate - the pop is recorded as a single Axel, and skaters can attempt as many singles as they want to in their 7 jumping passes.

 

[airgelaal]

Bond means gold

 

[Kateri]

Oh my god, watch Rio clunky-fingerguns his way into thie title...

 

[Kateri]

Minkyu trying to claw it back. C'mon!

 

[skatingguy]

Minkyu Seo
Coach: A Young Kim, Eun Ju Kim
Music: Notre Dame de Paris

3A+2T
1A
3Lo
Fly Camel Spin 4
Choreo Sequence
Change Foot Combo Spin 4
3F+3T
3Lz
3F+2A+2A+SEQ
3S
Change Foot Sit Spin 4

The Axel technique is questionable here with Seo as it is with Nakata - he's going so deep in the knee, and stalking the approach quite a lot. This could be close. Seo held on, and finished strong.

150.17 = 2nd Place
230.75 = 1st Place

 

[Holy Headband]

Oooh, this will be very close, I think. But I think they'll give it to Minkyu... and I won't be mad about it. I really like his gutsy program construction, and he hits a lot of musical accents.

 

[tony]

What a bizarre night of skating. The skaters at the top really aren't anywhere near the most well-rounded in the field and of course, again I feel like the PCS isn't indicative of the actual skating.

Seo did everything he could to get points back after the mistake, but it was another meh program and decent but not great overall skating.

 

[skatingguy]

Sour grapes comment by this JPN fan, before Rio Nakata scores.
JPN Junior Men A team is sitting at home, right now.
We should have sent YUMA and KAO!

Really? Both of those skaters are contenders for the medals at Worlds so why would the Japanese Federation want them to interrupt their preparation to go to Junior Worlds? Neither skater has done a junior competition this season, and suddenly this late in the year they're reworking their programs, and dropping the quads from the short program to get the Japanese what exactly?

 

[Frau Muller]

M. Seo - Spectacular Notre Dame…highlighting the vocal inflections. Magnificent!

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

Attempts only count if you rotate - the pop is recorded as a single Axel, and skaters can attempt as many singles as they want to in their 7 jumping passes.

This is strange. We`ve had discussions before that if there is a set up for a jump it counts as an attempt. They don`t even need to leave the ice. Are axels treated differently than other 3`s?

 

[airgelaal]

It takes him forever to jump 3A. But the judges are ok

 

[tony]

This is strange. We`ve had discussions before that if there is a set up for a jump it counts as an attempt. They don`t even need to leave the ice. Are axels treated differently than other 3`s?

You are confusing two different concepts. A set-up that goes wrong gets called A, or F, or Lz, or whatever the intended jump was.

It's still not a triple Axel.

 

[airgelaal]

WHAT???

 

[skatingguy]

This is strange. We`ve had discussions before that if there is a set up for a jump it counts as an attempt. They don`t even need to leave the ice. Are axels treated differently than other 3`s?

The single Axel counts as a jump - it has a base value, but he didn't attempt a triple Axel - a popped jump doesn't count as the planned jump.

 

[Karen-W]

Jr Worlds spots next season -
3 KOR, JPN
2 SVK, FRA, EST, CAN, GBR, USA

JGP spots next season -
2 entries in 7 events – KOR, JPN, SVK
1 entry in 7 events – FRA*, EST, CAN
1 entry in 6 events – GBR, USA, POL*, NZL
1 entry in 5 events – SWE, TPE, ITA, ISR, GEO, HUN, FIN, UKR, BEL
1 entry in 4 events – LAT*, LTU, TUR*, SUI, GER
1 entry in 3 events – SWE, KAZ, MAS, NOR, SLO*, BUL, ARM, ESP, HKG
1 entry in 2 events – all other ISU members
* = JGP host – entitled to 3 entries in host JGP

 

[airgelaal]

We are not saying goodbye to these juniors, because we will see some of them in Montreal

 

[On My Own]

We should have sent YUMA and KAO!

He's not eligible is he?

 

[On My Own]

Anyway, happy for Minkyu - first ever Korean man to win a JWC, I believe.

 

[Private Citizen]

Yes, and Japan is very much his home country - his English isn't great, and I have no idea if he's ever lived in the UK at all. Can't see him giving up Japanese citizenship.

Maybe what I read on Wikipedia was wrong? Wikipedia says that his mother is Welsh and he speaks English predominantly at home? It also says the family moved to Chiba in 2022, but it doesn't say from where. I had assumed UK from the context, but that may be wrong.

 

[Kateri]

Maybe what I read on Wikipedia was wrong? Wikipedia says that his mother is Welsh and he speaks English predominantly at home? It also says the family moved to Chiba in 2022, but it doesn't say from where. I had assumed UK from the context, but that may be wrong.

Oh, interesting! I was basing it off an interview he gave on the JGP in English, which seemed competent, but far from fluent - definitely not his first language.

 

[Holy Headband]

Maybe what I read on Wikipedia was wrong? Wikipedia says that his mother is Welsh and he speaks English predominantly at home? It also says the family moved to Chiba in 2022, but it doesn't say from where. I had assumed UK from the context, but that may be wrong.

He grew up in Japan, not Wales, he did not move to Chiba from Wales—he moved to Chiba to join Nakaniwa Kensuke's training camp—and his English is not great. He probably speaks it with his mother, and you can hear that in his accent sometimes, but if she's his primary source of exposure to the language, then he's not going to be as fluent as someone who grew up in an English-speaking environment, just like the child of, say, a Chinese person and an American person living in America is unlikely to speak Mandarin with the standard vocabulary and level of fluency, let alone the reading and writing skills, of a Chinese kid in China. Moreover, Nakata's Japanese father is also his coach.

He is definitely more Japanese than he is British and it makes sense that he has no particular interest in representing Great Britain. That may change in a few years when he moves up to seniors and stops getting international assignments, but I don't think it's so shocking he's not jumping at the chance to represent a country on the other side of the world when the Japanese figure skating development program is so comprehensive and it's all he's ever known.

 

[Private Citizen]

He is way more Japanese than he is British and it makes sense that he has no particular interest in representing Great Britain. That may change in a few years when he moves up to seniors and stops getting international assignments, but I don't understand why it's so shocking he's not jumping at the chance to represent a country on the other side of the world when the Japanese figure skating development program is so comprehensive and it's all he's ever known.

Thanks for the context. I misinterpreted the Wikipedia page and thought he lived in GBR until 2022 and was a native / predominant English speaker.

If someone has time / interest, it seems like his Wikipedia page could use an edit.

 

[Tak]

He's not eligible is he?

You are right. Yuma's skating age is twenty.
I simply forgot that 21 age limit is only for Ice Dance and Pair male skaters.
Congratulations to Minkyu, Rio and Adam!

 

[Sylvia]

Junior Men
Result
FPl. Name Nation Points SP FS

GOLD Minkyu SEO KOR 230.75 1 2
SILVER Rio NAKATA JPN 229.31 5 1
BRONZE Adam HAGARA SVK 225.61 3 3
4 Shunsuke NAKAMURA JPN 215.46 10 4
5 Francois PITOT FRA 214.95 2 7
6 Jaekeun LEE KOR 212.22 12 5
7 Arlet LEVANDI EST 211.98 8 6
8 Aleksa RAKIC CAN 211.74 4 9
9 Edward APPLEBY GBR 205.55 6 11
10 Jacob SANCHEZ USA 199.17 9 15
11 Jakub LOFEK POL 199.04 7 18
12 Yanhao LI NZL 197.47 23 8
13 Daniel MARTYNOV USA 195.83 11 16
14 Casper JOHANSSON SWE 193.66 15 12
15 Anthony PARADIS CAN 193.61 21 10
16 Yu-Hsiang LI TPE 193.26 13 14
17 Haru KAKIUCHI JPN 192.82 16 13
18 Matteo NALBONE ITA 188.89 17 17
19 Tamir KUPERMAN ISR 182.83 20 20
20 Konstantin SUPATASHVILI GEO 182.68 19 21
21 Aleksandr VLASENKO HUN 181.85 24 19
22 Matias LINDFORS FIN 180.80 14 23
23 Kyrylo MARSAK UKR 180.42 18 22
24 Denis KROUGLOV BEL 169.21 22 24

Final Not Reached
25 Fedir KULISH LAT 61.84 25
26 Luka IMEDASHVILI LTU 60.52 26
27 Ali Efe GUNES TUR 60.37 27
28 Aurelian CHERVET SUI 59.54 28
29 Raffaele Francesco ZICH ITA 59.48 29
30 Hugo Willi HERRMANN GER 58.56 30
31 Georgii PAVLOV SUI 57.36 31
32 Elias SAYED SWE 57.27 32
33 Oleg MELNIKOV KAZ 53.78 33
34 Jegor MARTSENKO EST 51.90 34
35 Ze Zeng FANG MAS 50.69 35
36 Daniil VALANOV NOR 49.33 36
37 David SEDEJ SLO 48.96 37
38 Deyan MIHAYLOV BUL 48.03 38
39 Mikayel SALAZARYAN ARM 47.50 39
40 Adrian JIMENEZ de BALDOMERO ESP 44.63 40
41 Chiu Hei CHEUNG HKG 44.24 41

Pl.	Name	Nation	TSS =	TES +		PCS +	CO	PR	SK	Ded. -	StN.
1​	Rio NAKATA	JPN	151.71​	78.08​		73.63​	7.29​	7.25​	7.57​	0.00​	#21​
2​	Minkyu SEO	KOR	150.17​	73.45​		76.72​	7.57​	7.61​	7.86​	0.00​	#24​
3​	Adam HAGARA	SVK	147.59​	76.09​		71.50​	7.07​	7.11​	7.29​	0.00​	#22​
4​	Shunsuke NAKAMURA	JPN	142.61​	71.18​		72.43​	7.11​	7.21​	7.43​	1.00​	#15​
5​	Jaekeun LEE	KOR	142.07​	74.07​		69.00​	6.79​	6.82​	7.11​	1.00​	#14​
6​	Arlet LEVANDI	EST	136.55​	61.39​		75.16​	7.64​	7.61​	7.32​	0.00​	#16​
7​	Francois PITOT	FRA	136.16​	63.30​		73.86​	7.46​	7.29​	7.43​	1.00​	#23​
8​	Yanhao LI	NZL	134.63​	70.79​		64.84​	6.50​	6.29​	6.68​	1.00​	#4​
9​	Aleksa RAKIC	CAN	134.00​	65.20​		69.80​	6.96​	6.89​	7.11​	1.00​	#19​
10​	Anthony PARADIS	CAN	130.42​	56.92​		73.50​	7.50​	7.46​	7.11​	0.00​	#5​
11​	Edward APPLEBY	GBR	129.86​	63.93​		66.93​	6.71​	6.75​	6.64​	1.00​	#20​
12​	Casper JOHANSSON	SWE	127.95​	68.10​		59.85​	5.93​	5.93​	6.11​	0.00​	#7​
13​	Haru KAKIUCHI	JPN	127.33​	65.99​		62.34​	6.11​	6.18​	6.43​	1.00​	#11​
14​	Yu-Hsiang LI	TPE	126.73​	66.42​		60.31​	5.86​	6.29​	5.96​	0.00​	#9​
15​	Jacob SANCHEZ	USA	125.82​	54.23​		71.59​	7.18​	7.07​	7.25​	0.00​	#18​
16​	Daniel MARTYNOV	USA	124.14​	62.27​		63.87​	6.36​	6.18​	6.64​	2.00​	#13​
17​	Matteo NALBONE	ITA	123.67​	66.13​		57.54​	5.64​	5.64​	6.00​	0.00​	#8​
18​	Jakub LOFEK	POL	123.49​	54.69​		69.80​	6.96​	7.14​	6.86​	1.00​	#17​
19​	Aleksandr VLASENKO	HUN	119.73​	66.09​		53.64​	5.25​	5.25​	5.61​	0.00​	#1​
20​	Tamir KUPERMAN	ISR	119.23​	55.12​		64.11​	6.32​	6.54​	6.39​	0.00​	#6​
21​	Konstantin SUPATASHVILI	GEO	118.69​	65.21​		53.48​	5.39​	5.21​	5.46​	0.00​	#2​
22​	Kyrylo MARSAK	UKR	116.13​	54.42​		61.71​	6.07​	5.96​	6.50​	0.00​	#10​
23​	Matias LINDFORS	FIN	114.74​	51.40​		64.34​	6.75​	6.36​	6.21​	1.00​	#12​
24​	Denis KROUGLOV	BEL	106.12​	51.15​		56.97​	5.71​	5.54​	5.86​	2.00​	#3​

Protocols: http://www.isuresults.com/results/s...OR----FNL-000100--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf

 

[her grace]

Great job to Hagara for holding it together and winning a medal for Slovakia.

Ouch for the U.S. Not a single clean program from any of the American singles. Wonder if the U.S. suddenly becomes interested in Junior Bs next season.

 

[victorskid]

Has anyone tried reaching out to the ISU on social media regarding the sound issue? It seems like it's going to continue with the men's free skate as I can barely hear the in-arena music, and announcements right now.

Responding after several hours of sleep that I did so (on X) several times during the Free Dance as did several other people.

Very pleased to see that the judges recognized Anthony Paradis on the PCS mark, putting him in 10th spot in the FS.

Thanks for all of your PBP!!

 

[kwanfan1818]

The age by which a person needs to choose which citizenship to keep keep, Japanese or other(s), if they became dual from birth to 20) is before they turn 22, not 18.

 

[Aceon6]

Hmmm, should I even bother with the men? Any “must see” programs?

 

[On My Own]

Any “must see” programs?

It's men...