The Dance Hall 11: Movin' On Up 2023-2024

[Nmsis]

Ephesus Cup entries are also out

OMG, Sarah MARCILLY VAZQUEZ / Jolan ENGEL are skating for Spain in junior ?
Ok actually, that may be a smart move. but still...
Lucky Spain. (Leave them in Fontenay, please)
I knew I would be sobbing a lot until 2030. I didn't expect it to happen today.

Edit : indeed they're skating for Spain, with coach Antoine Charrier ... and Sarah Hurtado in the Spanish Nats K&C ... and they ended 1st in Junior, of course.

 

[Andrea82]

US Nationals' callers are mainly domestic.
Technical specialists are Stephanie Zastrow (11th at 2010 National with Michael Lueck) and Paul Bellantuono (who skated for Estonia with Johanna Allik).
Technical controller will be Janis Engel (who has the international qualification and served as TC at the Lake Placid International).

Panel of judges for Seniors have 4 domestic judges + Sharon Rogers + Julia Rey (the Reys are multi-tasking) + 3 ISU Judges (Cutone, Hampton and Matsumoto). Referee is also domestic (Carol Wooley).

 

[Andrea82]

Egna entries:

https://app-cdn.sportity.com/e303ec11-f110-46f3-8da0-8bf0592ac459/dd9e4155-0521-456e-8585-87794d6c35dd_FSKXICEDANCE----------------------_EntryListbyEvent.pdf

https://app-cdn.sportity.com/e303ec11-f110-46f3-8da0-8bf0592ac459/7faed2b6-91ef-4aa6-8dc7-cf51bd87957c_FSKXICEDANCEJUNIOR----------------_EntryListbyEvent.pdf

Seniors include Mrazkova/Mrazek, Soucisse/Firus, Dupayage/Nabais, Flores/Desyatov. No Manni/Röthlisberger which is strange as Egna result is part of Italian selection race for Worlds (only those with a top 5 in an ISU Championship can skip Egna from the computation and use another score...which means Guignard/Fabbri).
Juniors have Kudryavtseva/Karankevich's comeback. Fradji/Fourneaux will also be there.

 

[Karen-W]

Egna entries:

https://app-cdn.sportity.com/e303ec11-f110-46f3-8da0-8bf0592ac459/dd9e4155-0521-456e-8585-87794d6c35dd_FSKXICEDANCE----------------------_EntryListbyEvent.pdf

https://app-cdn.sportity.com/e303ec11-f110-46f3-8da0-8bf0592ac459/7faed2b6-91ef-4aa6-8dc7-cf51bd87957c_FSKXICEDANCEJUNIOR----------------_EntryListbyEvent.pdf

Seniors include Mrazkova/Mrazek, Soucisse/Firus, Dupayage/Nabais, Flores/Desyatov. No Manni/Röthlisberger which is strange as Egna result is part of Italian selection race for Worlds (only those with a top 5 in an ISU Championship can skip Egna from the computation and use another score...which means Guignard/Fabbri).
Juniors have Kudryavtseva/Karankevich's comeback. Fradji/Fourneaux will also be there.

Hauer/Starr also return to international competition in juniors. Nice to see the USFS giving them a chance to compete after they missed the JGP.

 

[Andrea82]

Verhaegh/Van Geffen have achieved the minimum RD TES for Worlds at Ephesus Cup (they already had the FD one).
So we have now set for a Dutch unmissable fight offs at Bavarian Open and Challenge Cup vs Jakucs/Galli.

Oliver/Bojanowski got the minimums for Worlds

Val/Kazimov scoring 178.21 (his upper body in the last set of twizzles in the RD swung in all directions) was a given with that panel (Halina, Vanova and Stergiadu + Krauziene, Yordanova, Lisova, Ozkan and Szwarejko) * Lisova, Ozkan and Szwarejko were in the Bosphorus Cup panel. Stergiadu was in the tech panel at BC too and Vanova is a TS who usually pops up in B generous events).

 

[Colonel Green]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1751813437884187116

The turnaround would have been difficult for them under any circumstance, but with them being obviously under the weather at US Nationals, this is the clear correct choice, I'd say.

 

[Karen-W]

Intrigue at 4CCs - who wins silver?

 

[Andrea82]

Callers at Four Continents are
David Molina (France) from ISU Technical Committee. TC at NHK Trophy this season
Monica MacDonald (Australia). Called at NHK Trophy this season
Francesca Fermi (Italy). Called at Lombardia Trophy this season

Chris Buchanan (Great Britain) is the Referee. He is aging out at the end of the season. It may be his last appearance. We will remember him for his high scoring of British dance couples. his services!

Bavarian Open have
Senior: Halina Gordon-Poltorak (who is everywhere this season) as TC and Benjamin Blum (who is on Gangwong panel right now. Must be good in teleportation!) and Candice Towler-Green (Great Britain) as TSs
Junior: Christopher Bauman (Germany) at TC and Candice Towler-Green (Great Britain) and Marie-Louise Gijtenbeek (Netherlands) as TSs

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Callers at Four Continents are
David Molina (France) from ISU Technical Committee. TC at NHK Trophy this season
Monica MacDonald (Australia). Called at NHK Trophy this season
Francesca Fermi (Italy). Called at Lombardia Trophy this season

Chris Buchanan (Great Britain) is the Referee. He is aging out at the end of the season. It may be his last appearance. We will remember him for his high scoring of British dance couples. his services!

Bavarian Open have
Senior: Halina Gordon-Poltorak (who is everywhere this season) as TC and Benjamin Blum (who is on Gangwong panel right now. Must be good in teleportation!) and Candice Towler-Green (Great Britain) as TSs
Junior: Christopher Bauman (Germany) at TC and Candice Towler-Green (Great Britain) and Marie-Louise Gijtenbeek (Netherlands) as TSs

Interesting. Are there judges from North America and Asia at Europeans as well?

 

[skatingguy]

Interesting. Are there judges from North America and Asia at Europeans as well?

No, the reason they have European judges at Four Continents is that they are not enough judges within the Four Continents countries to have a full panel.

 

[ccpompom]

Oh so that explains why the 4cc scores are always significantly lower than what the Euro teams always get lol

 

[Andrea82]

No, the reason they have European judges at Four Continents is that they are not enough judges within the Four Continents countries to have a full panel.

Indeed, the draw of the 10 judges is done first among Four Continents countries and then opened to Europeans if 4CC Feds are not enough to fill the whole panel.
Four Continents Federations with ISU Ice Dance judges are
1) Australia (4 judges)
2) Canada (10 judges)
3) China (3 judges)
4) Japan (2 judges)
5) Kazakhstan (1 judge)
6) New Zealand (1 judge)
7) South Korea (2 judges)
8) USA (11 judges)

So not enough to fill the whole panel.
Add that New Zealand only ID judge is also one of their 2 Single & Pairs ISU judges and New Zealand was already drawn for Women and Pairs. That meant they hadn't anybody left for the ID panel.
So it was down to 7 Feds available.
And South Korea didn't enter the draw as they weren't drawn even if they had precedence.
So in the end 4 European countries were needed (the drawn ones were Spain, Great Britain, Switzerland and Slovakia. Alternates are Bulgaria, Finland, Netherlands and Italy).

Interesting. Are there judges from North America and Asia at Europeans as well?

Technical panel is named by ISU.
With the recent recommendation that likely top 5 countries shouldn't be in the technical panel or having the referee, it increases the likelihood to name someone from outside the continent(s).
Europeans had American referee and a Japanese technical specialist.

 

[PRlady]

Indeed, the draw of the 10 judges is done first among Four Continents countries and then opened to Europeans if 4CC Feds are not enough to fill the whole panel.
Four Continents Federations with ISU Ice Dance judges are
1) Australia (4 judges)
2) Canada (10 judges)
3) China (3 judges)
4) Japan (2 judges)
5) Kazakhstan (1 judge)
6) New Zealand (1 judge)
7) South Korea (2 judges)
8) USA (11 judges)

So not enough to fill the whole panel.
Add that New Zealand only ID judge is also one of their 2 Single & Pairs ISU judges and New Zealand was already drawn for Women and Pairs. That meant they hadn't anybody left for the ID panel.
So it was down to 7 Feds available.
And South Korea didn't enter the draw as they weren't drawn even if they had precedence.
So in the end 4 European countries were needed (the drawn ones were Spain, Great Britain, Swizterland and Slovakia. Alternates are Bulgaria, Finland, Netherlands and Italy).


Technical panel is named by ISU.
With the recent recommendation that likely top 5 countries shouldn't be in the technical panel or having the referee, it increases the likelihood to name someone from outside the continent(s).
Europeans had American referee and a Japanese technical specialist.

The only Euro judge with a real horse in the race is the Brit, who may cunningly downgrade NA teams, heh.

 

[Karen-W]

The only Euro judge with a real horse in the race is the Brit, who may cunningly downgrade NA teams, heh.

Actually, I think that GilPoir and FBSoer are more vulnerable than the US teams or Les Gacs to being cunningly downgraded.

CarPon aren't the US #1, didn't qualify for the GPF, didn't win any GP medals, and only finished 10th at Worlds last year. GreenP aren't (after Nats) the US #1 or #2, didn't qualify for the GPF and won't be going to Worlds this year. ZingKol aren't anywhere close to being US #1, 2 or 3, didn't qualify for the GPF and won't be at Worlds this year. Les Gacs aren't the CAN #1, 2 or 3 and are only here because LajLag WD, didn't qualify for the GPF and while they might wind up at Worlds they're clearly not a team that FearGib need to pass. If anything, CarPon and Les Gacs might also be vulnerable to downgrade by the Spanish judge but probably not since everyone will be operating on the assumption that LajLag will be at Worlds.

I think there could be a surprise here and FBSoer are really vulnerable to being hosed to the point of losing silver (maybe even bronze also) to CarPon and/or GreenP. We'll see...

 

[Andrea82]

I track the selection criteria document on Dutch Federation website...but in the end it is not an interesting race.
The selection is based on the average of 5 competitions:
Mezzaluna Cup
Bosphorus Cup
Warsaw Cup
Bavarian Open
Challenge Cup

Jacuks/Galli have beaten Verhaegh/Van Geffen in all the first 4 head to heads.

So Challenge Cup is unlikely to potentially change something.

On a totally unrelated note, at Bavarian Open Lagouge/Caffa and Terreaux/Perron have scored the exact same PCS total score in both segments. And none of the judges tied them in neither segment.

 

[Colonel Green]

I expect most were not paying attention to Canadian Novice/Pre-Novice Challenge, but here's a few videos of one of the female partnerships that are now allowed under Skate Canada's domestic competition rules.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1753270506181079330

https://twitter.com/x/status/1753612756844999041

 

[kwanfan1818]

Sugino and Mar were tight in the PD, and their timing with each other was spot on.

 

[deegee]

I expect most were not paying attention to Canadian Novice/Pre-Novice Challenge, but here's a few videos of one of the female partnerships that are now allowed under Skate Canada's domestic competition rules.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1753270506181079330

https://twitter.com/x/status/1753612756844999041

i love this more than i have the words to say

 

[skatingguy]

I know that Dave Lease is not well liked here, but this interview with Carol Lane is really worth watching. Dave asks Carol a lot questions about the current state of skating, and while I wouldn't say that he pulls any punches he did shave off some sharp edges with his wording, but he also allows Carol to talk for long stretches about her coaching philosophy. Twiddly bits.

 

[Orm Irian]

I expect most were not paying attention to Canadian Novice/Pre-Novice Challenge, but here's a few videos of one of the female partnerships that are now allowed under Skate Canada's domestic competition rules.

Oh, they're doing great and visibly having fun too. I hope they take skating together as far as they can go!

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

I know that Dave Lease is not well liked here, but this interview with Carol Lane is really worth watching. Dave asks Carol a lot questions about the current state of skating, and while I wouldn't say that he pulls any punches he did shave off some sharp edges with his wording, but he also allows Carol to talk for long stretches about her coaching philosophy. Twiddly bits.

I watched it yesterday and having watched it I was surprised by some of her answers. She said that she doesn’t go back right away to look at scoring elements of P&P and may/will do it later. And doesn’t check out scoring elements of any of the competition … I said to myself, she may not be the right coach for me, then, I would want someone who is completely on it

I also had no idea about her British accent, and that she was from England.

By the way, don’t watch the TSL video that was released today, they criticize Lindsay to death.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

I expect most were not paying attention to Canadian Novice/Pre-Novice Challenge, but here's a few videos of one of the female partnerships that are now allowed under Skate Canada's domestic competition rules.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1753270506181079330

https://twitter.com/x/status/1753612756844999041

I LUUUUURRRRVEEEEEEE THIS

how amazing, do you think Paul would want to do this with me?

 

[skatfan]

s. She said that she doesn’t go back right away to look at scoring elements of P&P and may/will do it later. And doesn’t check out scoring elements of any of the competition … I said to myself, she may not be the right coach for me, then, I would want someone who is completely on it

She has coaching partners and I imagine they do go over the protocols to see how the teams are scored. She admits math is not her thing.

 

[Spikefan]

She admits math is not her thing.

If she ever gets tired of coaching she could get a job with the ISU.

 

[Wyliefan]

I've only had time to listen to bits of it, but there are some gems in there. "Twizzling like bunnies" would have made an amazing rep level.

 

[Debbie S]

So, is the background music in this post just for IG purposes or did Smart/Dieck actually change their RD music?

Hung Up is not from the 80s, so I'm guessing the latter (ETA: ooops, meant "former")? In any event, I'm looking forward to seeing them at Worlds.

Olivia Sophie Smart on Instagram: "Back to the full grind, we’re so excited for what’s to come! 😈"

oliviasmartx on February 5, 2024: "Back to the full grind, we’re so excited for what’s to come! 😈".

www.instagram.com

 

[tony]

So, is the background music in this post just for IG purposes or did Smart/Dieck actually change their RD music?

Hung Up is not from the 80s, so I'm guessing the latter? In any event, I'm looking forward to seeing them at Worlds.

Olivia Sophie Smart on Instagram: "Back to the full grind, we’re so excited for what’s to come! 😈"

oliviasmartx on February 5, 2024: "Back to the full grind, we’re so excited for what’s to come! 😈".

www.instagram.com

Hung Up isn't even from the 90s, either. No, not happening.

 

[Debbie S]

Hung Up isn't even from the 90s, either. No, not happening.

Ooops, I meant to use the word "former".

 

[screech]

I was thinking maybe it's allowed because the actual music is ABBA but I looked up Gimme Gimme Gimme and it is from 1979, so even that doesn't fit.

 

[Andrea82]

Second to last opportunity for Worlds' minimum TES in Egna this week. With Armenians, Brazilians, Kazakhs, some Swiss teams entered.

Technical panel for Seniors is Leslie Keen of Canada, Candice Towler-Green of Great Britain (directly from Bavarian Open) and Marien de l'Asuncion.
Panel of judges seems a mix of Pavel Roman Memorial and Bosphorus Cup panels+ an American judge....not bad for those searching for some generous GOEs.