2025-26 Grand Prix Assignments Discussion

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I assume this will impact the requests seeded skaters make. It could also sweeten the loss of a SA host spot for anyone assigned to NHK, which is a skaters' favorite. Doing NHK/SA back-to-back would be rough.
Yes, I think the biggest impact will be on the requests the seeded skaters make, but I think it will also trickle down to all of the host fed skaters - no one is going to want to do back-to-back between any of these events with the intercontinental travel involved. Biggest beneficiary may wind up being CoC.
 

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It's about time for CoC, which seemed to be the step-child of the GP. Although it was great to see all of the photos from last year's CoC on social media. The organizers may have made an effort to encourage or arrange activities or suggestions to make the event appealing, and/or there was an especially curious and open group of skaters there who wanted to explore.
 

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It's about time for CoC, which seemed to be the step-child of the GP. Although it was great to see all of the photos from last year's CoC on social media. The organizers may have made an effort to encourage or arrange activities or suggestions to make the event appealing, and/or there was an especially curious and open group of skaters there who wanted to explore.
I'm hoping the CFSA chooses a really interesting city that skaters will be eager to visit. Maybe work with the HKSU and select a city in Guangdong Province or Hong Kong itself.
 

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And so it begins... cross Vaananen/Clerici off the Pairs list, but pencil in FIN TBD as they've, but Milania plans on looking for a new partner.
 

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FloresWang said they plan on moving up to seniors this coming season. I wonder if USFS would give them a host spot in hopes of boosting a possible Olympic campaign. They're one of the few pairs with experience, citizenship, and no injuries.
 

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FloresWang said they plan on moving up to seniors this coming season. I wonder if USFS would give them a host spot in hopes of boosting a possible Olympic campaign. They're one of the few pairs with experience, citizenship, and no injuries.
Do you have a source for this?

They'd be wiser to stay on the JGP and do some Challengers rather than moving up to the GP - they're only guaranteed 1 and they're not likely to get more than 1 unless they really step it up technically - and get better programs than the ones they had this season.
 

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I think Luke and Liv could have serious Olympic hopes given all the issues with US pairs right now.
 

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Well, that's what they said at Jr Worlds and that may very well still be their plan, but I still believe it to be a mistake for their long-term trajectory. Going back to the JGP in September and actually delivering solid skates can score them in the mid-170s, which puts them firmly in the conversation & gets them to the JGPF, especially if they can back that up some solid Challenger showings in Oct/Nov that at least maintain or improve on mid-170 range scores.

They should pay attention to what happened with their training mates, WilLew, last season & aim for a much clearer path toward 2 guaranteed GP assignments in 2026-27 rather than, if lucky, 1 GP assignment this season.
 

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Well, that's what they said at Jr Worlds and that may very well still be their plan, but I still believe it to be a mistake for their long-term trajectory. Going back to the JGP in September and actually delivering solid skates can score them in the mid-170s, which puts them firmly in the conversation & gets them to the JGPF, especially if they can back that up some solid Challenger showings in Oct/Nov that at least maintain or improve on mid-170 range scores.

They should pay attention to what happened with their training mates, WilLew, last season & aim for a much clearer path toward 2 guaranteed GP assignments in 2026-27 rather than, if lucky, 1 GP assignment this season.
I agree with you that they would do well to stay in juniors. I'm just trying to think of what motives they could have for moving up, other than "we need a change." If they get that host spot I suppose it would be a vote of confidence from USFS.
 

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I agree with you that they would do well to stay in juniors. I'm just trying to think of what motives they could have for moving up, other than "we need a change." If they get that host spot I suppose it would be a vote of confidence from USFS.
Well, on my projected GP Assignments list, I put them in as one of the US host TBD spots, leaving the USA with just 1 host TBD spot. There are just too many teams who are entitled to 1 GP that it makes it pretty much impossible for most of the feds to not need to use 1 of their host spots on one of their own guaranteed skaters.

The math ain't mathin' otherwise.

I've even gone back and altered my projections after Vaananen/Clerici's split. I know Japan had 4 teams compete in Sr Pairs at their Nats & while I think Shimizu/Honda will wind up back on the JGP, Yunoki/Taylor just posted a clip of their first throw 3z from training, so they're definitely in it for a host TBD spot, which means one less spot for any other team that likely deserves 2 spots (I dropped BecGuar down to 1 because they don't have the hardware that Wenjing Sui brings to her new partnership & I figure Sui/Li will get 2 just like FBCiz are getting 2, regardless of them being different disciplines - OGM is OGM).

There's just a LOT of teams that deserve 2 GPs who won't get them.
 

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Sui/Li should get two re: the Great Missing Piece in the GP Document That Refers to People Who've Placed 1-6 With Their Previous Partner, Probably in the Last Ten Seasons. I know nothing is officially guaranteed, but it's been pretty traditional for most skaters, and I don't think we know if Gracie Gold asked for only one, and their host can be squeezed into giving them one or they lose.
 

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Sui/Li should get two re: the Great Missing Piece in the GP Document That Refers to People Who've Placed 1-6 With Their Previous Partner, Probably in the Last Ten Seasons. I know nothing is officially guaranteed, but it's been pretty traditional for most skaters, and I don't think we know if Gracie Gold asked for only one, and their host can be squeezed into giving them one or they lose.
Right. I'm presuming they get 2. We'll finally know positively what is meant with the Great Missing Piece in the GP Document with both Sui/Li and Fournier-Beaudry/Cizeron publicly announcing their intent to compete on the GP. My expectation is both teams will make their GP debuts at their home GPs & get a 2nd assignment elsewhere.
 
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Well, that's what they said at Jr Worlds and that may very well still be their plan, but I still believe it to be a mistake for their long-term trajectory.

TBH, I'm not sure they have any long-term trajectory :shuffle: and was wondering if they would split. They no longer seem well matched to me, and they're not scoring well even when clean(ish).

The possibility of the Olympics, which is realistic given the citizenship issues of others, might be enough to keep them together for another year. Maybe they'll end up being a modern-day Courtland and Reynolds, then go on to do other things.
 

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TBH, I'm not sure they have any long-term trajectory :shuffle: and was wondering if they would split. They no longer seem well matched to me.

The possibility of the Olympics, which is realistic given the citizenship issues of others, might be enough to keep them together for another year. Maybe they'll end up being a modern-day Courtland and Reynolds, then go on to do other things.
Well, that's how I've begun to view them over this past season too. Luke isn't tall enough for Liv. He's not as short as Max Fernandez, but he isn't one of the taller pairs men out there & needs a partner on the shorter side. Mind, I don't think Liv is particularly tall, even for a pairs woman, but I do think their triple twist is going to continue to be a sketchy element because there just isn't enough of a height differential between them.
 

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I’m looking forward to seeing some new talent on the GP. I’m hopeful that Karhunen will make her senior debut for Finland as she is finally old enough and she’s the top Finnish lady on the World Standings and Season Best lists.
 

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I’m looking forward to seeing some new talent on the GP. I’m hopeful that Karhunen will make her senior debut for Finland as she is finally old enough and she’s the top Finnish lady on the World Standings and Season Best lists.
There are a handful of new/rising juniors I think we'll see on the GP - Karhunen, Zhuang/Huang, Sanchez, Tali/Lafornara, Grimm/Savitskiy, Jia Shin, but the real influx will come in 2026.
 

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I’m looking forward to seeing some new talent on the GP. I’m hopeful that Karhunen will make her senior debut for Finland as she is finally old enough and she’s the top Finnish lady on the World Standings and Season Best lists.
If I were the Finnish Fed, I’d give Karhunen and Ceder the initial host spots, with the final one TBD.
 

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But Ceder was the one chosen for worlds and earned the all important Olympic spot.
I understand this. What I'm saying is I don't see any compelling reason for the Finnish fed to hold one spot as a TBD - Karhunen, Jyrkinen & Ceder are all in the SB Top 75, which cannot be said foe any other Finnish woman.
 

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There are a handful of new/rising juniors I think we'll see on the GP - Karhunen, Zhuang/Huang, Sanchez, Tali/Lafornara, Grimm/Savitskiy, Jia Shin, but the real influx will come in 2026.

What is most significant about this year, however, is that this will be the first batch of skaters that were the most impacted by the change in senior rules making it to senior for the first time, and so this will in fact be the first time in a long time that we will really get an influx of new skaters.
 

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What is most significant about this year, however, is that this will be the first batch of skaters that were the most impacted by the change in senior rules making it to senior for the first time, and so this will in fact be the first time in a long time that we will really get an influx of new skaters.
True enough, but I'm not sure how much of a deep influx we're going to get. It's really only affected the women, IMO. Hagara & Sanchez both are already senior-eligible & most men seemed to wait until they were 17 or 18 to really move up to seniors before the age increase.
 

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And, finally, my Women's projections - JPN is going to be maxed out, the USA won't be far behind with 2 at each GP, though the chances of getting a 3rd are low unless someone comes out of relative obscurity & far down the SB Alternates list early on at Cranberry the way Elyce & Sarah did last summer...

72 Spots

Grand Prix Seeded Skaters 1-6
Liu
Sakamoto
Chiba
Levito
Glenn
Higuchi

Grand Prix Invited Skaters 7-12
Pinzarrone
Petrokina
H Lee
C Kim
Schizas
Repond

72 - 24 = 48 spots


Comeback Skaters - these skaters will get 2 assignments initially:
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Hendrickx* - she doesn't technically qualify as a Comeback Skater because she competed in Shanghai Trophy, but I'm betting the GP Hosts overlook that seeing as it's an invitational that qualifies neither for WS or SB - I just can't see any way the GP Hosts are going to exclude her as a 2-time Worlds medalist.

48 - 4 = 44 spots

WS & SB Top 24 (excluding the Seeded/Invited Skaters listed above) - these skaters will get 2 assignments initially:
6/19 - Gubanova
8/15 - Yoshida
12/7 - Lin-Gracey
13/20 - Gutmann
15/23 - Watanabe
16/12 - Tennell
18/14 - Everhardt
24/13 - Sumiyoshi

44 - 16 = 28 spots

SB Top 24 (excluding the Seeded/Invited Skaters listed above) - these skaters will get 2 assignments initially:
11 - Nakai
17 - Matsuike
18 - Yuseong Kim - age-ineligible
21 - Wada - age-ineligible
22 - von Felten - age-ineligible

28 - 4 = 24 spots

WS Top 24 once the 2022-23 scores are removed & the 2023-24 scores are reduced to 70% (excluding the Seeded/Invited Skaters listed above) - these skaters will get 1 assignment initially:
17 - Schild SB 39
21 - Kurakova SB 58
23 - Pezzetta SB 36

2 - 3 = 21 spots

Host Spots
SkAm - 1 TBD - Cranberry Cup should be fun with Ziegler, Thorngren SB 46, Andrews & J Lee SB 69 trying to nab this host spot - my early money is on either Starr or Ava Marie
CoC - 3 - Zhu SB 71 should get one of these spots, maybe An, though she's not on the SB Top 75, so the CFSA may make her compete for it - they may make Zhu compete for her spot too, but I'm a bit more confident that Zhu will be assigned initially; they will certainly keep their 3 host spots
SCI - 2 - Dupuis SB 50 was the highest Canadian woman at 4CCs & is their silver medalist, so I expect her to be assigned initially, while the rest of their women - Medland Spence SB 41, Shiryaeva SB 48, Ruiter SB 73, etc - will compete domestically for the remaining host spot
NHK - 1 TBD - the JSF will, like the USFS, make skaters like Aoki SB 25, Takagi SB 34, Mihara SB 52 & Kushida SB 72 earn the assignment at their regionals next fall
GPdF - 3 - Schild SB 39 will get a host spot in addition to a 2nd assignment elsewhere, Serna SB 42 will get a host spot, the 2nd spot will be filled, somehow, I suppose, by a skater we all think has no business getting a GP over a bunch of better skaters, especially ones high up on the Alternates List
Finlandia - 3 - probably all TBD on the initial assignments list, though I could see the Finnish fed rewarding Ceder SB 75 for securing their Olympic spot with one right out of the gate, they may also assign Karhunen SB 51 & Jyrkinen SB 63 with assignments initially, or they may have to earn them since there are other Finnish women like Lisko, Ounasvuori & Pelkonen who can beat the rest of them on any given day

21 - 13 = 8 spots

Aoki SB 25 will get 1 & that will max JPN out on the GP with 3 women in each event - though she may wind up with a 2nd GP if the JSF awards her their NHK Host TBD spot

Samodelkina SB 28 & J Shin SB 29 are either 1st season seniors or rising juniors & the GP Hosts tend to reward skaters like them who are just on the cusp of climbing into the SB Top 24, so I expect they will both get 2 GPs (Nina Pinzarrone is the most recent example of a skater who fits this criteria and got 2 GPs initially back in 2023 when she was SB 26 for the 22-23 season).

Kaiser SB 30 will get 1 - she fits more closely the scenario of Kurakova a few years ago when she was SB 31 for the 22-23 season and got 1 GP on the initial assignments list for the 2023 GPs.

Yun SB 35 will get 1 - maybe? I tend to think she'll get one because she's appreciably higher on the SB list than any of the host fed women who may be hoping for either an initial assignment or a 2nd one - this could go either way - the GP Hosts did go out of their way to give Serna a 2nd GP last season on the initial assignments when she was SB 41, but they didn't give Pelkonen a 2nd one on that same initial assignments list when she was SB 43, and Lin-Gracey didn't get any on the initial assignments though she was SB 44.

Medland Spence SB 41 - probably will get 1 elsewhere, but may not - I waffle back and forth between her getting 1 initially and Kaiser getting a 2nd or Yun getting one at all. Right now, I'm leaning toward her getting 1 initially, which gives Skate Canada a little wiggle room with that SCI Host TBD spot to go to someone else & get at least 4 of their women on the GP circuit.
Is Mao Shimada still not eligible next season for the GP?
 

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The IOC leaves it up to the Federations, but there's supposedly a provision that enforced country-specific rules, if their age limit is higher. If, for example, USFS said the age limit is 18, it would be 17 for everyone else but US skaters.
 

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Oh jeez, for some reason I thought it was just for the Olympics.
Yeah Mao can just go through the motions yet again during the JGP season where she isn't being pushed if i was her i'd just say enough of going to Junior Worlds and just sit it out. At this point staying Junior is not doing anything for her career.
 

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