2024 NHK Trophy Womens SP PBP - Ladies in Lavender (and Other Pastels)

[MacMadame]

2A GOE is between +4 and +5

Lutz is at a +3 for an inside edge. Whatever. I have small hope that this panel calls at least a !, which is still too generous.

Toe loop looked short about a quarter, too. Don't know what's up with the combos for her this year.

Something was wrong with the combo too. She just seems to be rushing and frantic today.

 

[Karen-W]

I'm gonna have to re-watch the top 3 later today after I've slept some.

 

[MacMadame]

Definitely short.

 

[tony]

I love Kaori Sakamoto so much but the PCS and the GOE and the looking the other way on her jumps is just insane.

9.29 skating skills? That's higher than what Kagiyama gets... come on.

 

[MacMadame]

I love Kaori Sakamoto so much but the PCS and the GOE and the looking the other way on her jumps is just insane.

9.29 skating skills? That's higher than what Kagiyama gets... come on.

They are judging based on vibes.

 

[jenny12]

I love Kaori Sakamoto so much but the PCS and the GOE and the looking the other way on her jumps is just insane.

9.29 skating skills? That's higher than what Kagiyama gets... come on.

To my definitely not expert eye, Yuna’s bladework seemed more impressive today. I enjoy Kaori too but it seems like they only factor in speed when they judge skating skills for her.

 

[MacMadame]

Also, "didn't put a foot wrong". (There may have been others as I wasn't paying that much attention after the scores were read)

 

[tony]

3T fairly called < for Alysa. Flip, too got a q. Lutz was fine.

Petrokina did get the -5 for the 3F+1T* she tried, and then another -5 for doing a 3Lz+2T*. Had she just done the Lutz, she would've added about 4-5 points back to her score. Silly mistakes in both instances.

Not one call to be seen on Kaori's sheet.

 

[Sylvia]

Protoocols: https://results.isu.org/results/sea...------QUAL000100--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf

Pl.	Name	Nation	TSS =	TES +		PCS +	CO	PR	SK	Ded. -	StN.
1​	Kaori SAKAMOTO	JPN	78.93​	42.25​		36.68​	9.14​	9.14​	9.29​	0.00​	#12​
2​	Mone CHIBA	JPN	71.69​	39.01​		32.68​	8.11​	8.21​	8.25​	0.00​	#10​
3​	Yuna AOKI	JPN	69.78​	36.89​		32.89​	8.29​	8.32​	8.11​	0.00​	#2​
4​	Alysa LIU	USA	65.03​	33.68​		31.35​	7.96​	7.93​	7.68​	0.00​	#1​
5​	Bradie TENNELL	USA	62.05​	29.79​		32.26​	8.18​	8.11​	7.96​	0.00​	#4​
6​	Lara Naki GUTMANN	ITA	61.51​	30.87​		30.64​	7.86​	7.79​	7.39​	0.00​	#6​
7​	Seoyeong WI	KOR	61.43​	33.82​		27.61​	6.93​	6.79​	7.04​	0.00​	#3​
8​	Olga MIKUTINA	AUT	60.94​	30.78​		30.16​	7.54​	7.68​	7.46​	0.00​	#5​
9​	Ekaterina KURAKOVA	POL	56.46​	27.21​		29.25​	7.46​	7.57​	6.96​	0.00​	#11​
10​	Lindsay THORNGREN	USA	54.79​	27.38​		29.41​	7.57​	7.18​	7.36​	2.00​	#7​
11​	Niina PETROKINA	EST	52.98​	23.38​		29.60​	7.57​	7.39​	7.29​	0.00​	#9​
12​	Yelim KIM	KOR	51.32​	22.92​		28.40​	7.25​	6.86​	7.25​	0.00​	#8​

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Just starting the ladies right now, wow, Alysa was simply amazing, I’m gonna watch them all in order right now

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

American women so far skate too slow into the triple triple jump.

Thank goodness that Lara always brings us cuckoo music and Cuckoo dresses but in a sophisticated way. you know we’re always going to be in a treat with her skating. Although that did not look like a triple triple to me, that had to be a triple double?

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Lindsay, this is a new dress from Skate Canada. It was just solid violet/purple/red there.

She got the triple triple done as well but to me all three US women here skate to slow into it.

Oh, no, she fell on the flip, because she’s skating too slow?

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Mone still seems like a junior skater to me, so it’s quite awkward to watch her skate to “last dance.”

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

LMAO he just said that was the perfect music choice for her…… ummmmmmmm …. Awkward

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

I love Kaori Sakamoto so much but the PCS and the GOE and the looking the other way on her jumps is just insane.

9.29 skating skills? That's higher than what Kagiyama gets... come on.

I just saw her score before I watched and I thought she must have a triple axle or a quad in the short program. How is it near 80 points without a triple axle or a quad

 

[Frau Muller]

Lindsay very offended.

 

[Karen-W]

Lindsay, this is a new dress from Skate Canada. It was just solid violet/purple/red there.

She got the triple triple done as well but to me all three US women here skate to slow into it.

Oh, no, she fell on the flip, because she’s skating too slow?

This is Lindsay's first GP of the season. I do think it's a new dress since Budapest Trophy though, but I may be misremembering.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

This is Lindsay's first GP of the season. I do think it's a new dress since Budapest Trophy though, but I may be misremembering.

Yes, last year this short program dress was a solid green then when I saw this earlier a couple weeks ago, it was a solid violet/purple cannot talk from my TV screen. Now it’s a different dress all together, but still quite nice.

 

[peibeck]

Well the women were definitely not the gangbusters the men were, I'm sorry to say.

Sakamoto is so dynamic, it seems like the tech callers are willing to forgive her edge issues that they weren't for all the other women here. Still, I could just watch her skate around all day and she seems to be growing more confidently into the choreography of this program. And like in Canada, she has a HUGE lead, so if going to be next to impossible to beat even if she doesn't come through again, like she did there.

Honestly I'd put Aoki in second, loved everything about her skate. Chiba skated well, but if you're doing Donna Summer there needs to be some sultriness to the presentation, and this was very vanilla.

American ladies... sigh. Gotta get the nerves out and the height up on those jumps. Given Bradie's ankle and feet issues, maybe her days of actually getting a clean 3/3 are over. Poor Lindsay seems to have lost all confidence again. Last year at NHK she skated with fire, today was more deer in the headlights.

Korean women are throwing away their chances, following the scandal in their Fed, to make a splash for themselves. Yelim was medaling and making the GP two years ago. She's just a ghost of her former self. Really unfortunate to see.

And for Petrokina. What a silly error to do two combos and think the tech panel wouldn't notice?

 

[kwanette]

Yuna Aoki had my fav skate..I love everything about her..a "throwback" in the best possible way.

 

[her grace]

Mikutina reminded me of Cesario—good musical expression combined with questionable jumps. But the artistry makes her worth watching anyway.

 

[annie_mg]

Yona Aoki's short should be shown to judges and skaters as a lesson of musicality and projection. This is how you skate. She commands the ice, and every moment is a photograph. Everyone else just seems so bla after her.

 

[Aceon6]

I just slogged my way through. I’m glad I didn’t stay up.

 

[kwanette]

Yona Aoki's short should be shown to judges and skaters as a lesson of musicality and projection. This is how you skate. She commands the ice, and every moment is a photograph. Everyone else just seems so bla after her.

Adam Rippon told Misha Ge on Insta..that it was a master class in choreography..

 

[mtnskater]

Well I’m a new fan of Yuna Aoki. She has Everything I like in skating that made me become a skating fan. Love her expression and artistry. She also is quite strong and powerful.

I like Mona Chiba but she seems kind of weak and too delicate. But again I enjoy her.

My excitement for Kaori is kind of fading. She doesn’t seem to have improved or added anything new or fixed her flutz, even if it isn’t called. And she is not very artistic in my eyes. I don’t get the score that high except skating at home. That said, the tango music is a much better fit for her than her free music.

Alysa pretty rock solid in the short while on the comeback trail. I thought it was beautiful and appreciate the joy she shows.

Bradie looking pretty good too though much work to do on the combo. I love her spins.

Lindsey just kills me. I would probably love her skating the most of all the American women except Isabeau if she didn’t look like she is scared to death with no confidence so much of the time. And her jumps are such a problem. But this is my favorite short program in ages and her style is gorgeous, skating skills really good and spins are absolutely eye popping. I sure wish somehow she could find confidence.

 

[annie_mg]

Adam Rippon told Misha Ge on Insta..that it was a master class in choreography..

It's not the choreography. It's how she skates the choreography. Misha Ge can give the same programme to hundreds of other skaters and it won't have the impact it has on people when Aoki skates it. Not to mention that half of those movements would be incomplete, half-****, etc. She commits to every movement and accentuates the music with her body.

Some people are just incredibly gifted.

 

[Sylvia]

This is Misha Ge’s post/video of Yuna Aoki's SP:

Misha Ge on Instagram: "Elegance, Clarity, Classically” (Yuna Aoki - Adiós Nonino) #Choreographer"

2,759 likes, 55 comments - mishage8 on November 8, 2024: "Elegance, Clarity, Classically” (Yuna Aoki - Adiós Nonino) #Choreographer".

www.instagram.com

 

[kwanette]

It's not the choreography. It's how she skates the choreography. Misha Ge can give the same programme to hundreds of other skaters and it won't have the impact it has on people when Aoki skates it. Not to mention that half of those movements would be incomplete, half-****, etc. She commits to every movement and accentuates the music with her body.

Some people are just incredibly gifted.

It helps if a choreographer understands a skater...

 

[Tak]

According to Japanese Skating boards, the black tape found on the ice after Lindsay Thorngren performance came from large overhead rig holding lighting and speakers. The offending tape is similar to duct tape used to hold cables together. Some in the audience even noticed this tape fluttering down from the rig quite a distance above the ice surface.
I hope at the very least the "costume deduction" against Lindsay be rescinded, preferably with appropriate apology. Yoyogi stadium and organizers should be penalized, not the competitor unfortunate enough to be skating when this mishap seemed to have occured.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

According to Japanese Skating boards, the black tape found on the ice after Lindsey Thorngren performance came from large overhead rig holding lighting and speakers. The offending tape is similar to duct tape used to hold cables together. Some in the audience even noticed this tape fluttering down from the rig quite a distance above the ice surface.
I hope at the very least the "costume deduction" against Lindsey be rescinded, preferably with appropriate apology. Yoyogi stadium and organizers should be penalized, not the competitor unfortunate enough to be skating when this mishap seemed to have occured.

Thank you for clarifying. I watched the program twice just to try to make sense of what was happening. I would’ve stood up and sashayed my fanny over to the judges and say I don’t wear barrets. Then I would’ve done a Tonya Harding bitch slap.