Yes, of course this injury could have happened if Kostornaia was training with Orser or Raf or Buianova. But the point is, given Team Tutberidze's track record, is it not fair to at least question their training methods? I mean Gleikhengauz gave a bitchy interview just last month about Kostornaia's lack of work ethic and Instagram posts. Come on.
What's your point? Is it not possible to be concerned about disordered eating in the sport and amongst the general population simultaneously?
Right but it's not like she suddenly started getting injured under Tom Z (which is what your post seems to be implying)?
But at least there you get patterns and you have a decent sample size which can make trends apparent. The NBA's New Orleans Pelicans and the NFL's New Orleans Saints are owned by the same group, who used to employ one set of trainers to work on both teams. It really caused physical harm to the NBA players, because their trainers were not specialized in basketball. But this became apparent, not soon enough for some guys, but it was noticed and then free agents started to not want to play for the Pelicans and the team corrected the problem. 
Have there been suggestions that skaters could have low bone density because of diet/training regimens?
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Injuries happen. Period. There are so very many factors involved. I agree with you. And as to raw data.........It is not like you can log into a server somewhere and get the data that would be needed to look at trends, draw conclusions and make recommendations. I would be very surprised if that information is kept anywhere.
This.
Of course, of course, it was Lipnitskaya's decision to feed herself smoothies and not her mom's at all. They are making it to 20 because they only need to starve themselves for 2-3 years and then the Olympics are over and so is their career. If you watched the movie about Margarita Mamun featuring Viner - it's all there. I highly doubt figure skating is any different.If they are really starving themselves, I doubt they will even make it to 20.Who are “these girls”. Are we now just assuming everyone is ”starving” ?
That is what I've been saying.. And we don't need to rehash Lipnitskaya, as you said, it's not relevant."Danny G praised Anna for eating two shrimp" is an urban legend that started on Twitter from people who didn't even watch the interview and just decided to twist the translation.
This is my issue with these threads. Anyone and everyone will think as they want (and they clearly do), but the constant 'This is obviously what's happening and if you don't agree then you don't care about the skaters' act is getting tiresome. Not one person in this thread knows anything 'secret' about what is going on, but I can point out plenty of times when people who state things in a matter-of-fact way as if they do, when it comes to Team Tutberidze.
As far as I am aware, no one in this thread is saying anything of the type, and I think it's a ridiculous reach because I simply believe that it's quite possible a completely healthy skater can take a big fall on a difficult element without a bunch of assumptions being thrown out.
I understand how the rules are written, I just don't think that's how it's being judged. In the women's discipline the choreography from Sambo 70 regularly receives among the highest PCS, and Jason Brown's marks aren't relevant to the discussion because that's a different discipline.
Statistically the more students the more injuries. This whole discussion stems from hatred for a successful coach.
But the 'retiring young' thing is not that uncommon. Lipinski and Hughes both retired shortly after winning Olympic gold (Hughes stayed an extra year and wasn't competitive anymore). Zagitova couldn't and didn't want to keep up with the younger skaters- she already had won it all. In the past, skaters like Elena Ivanova, Sydne Vogel, Deanna Stellato (for 15 years), Ann Patrice McDonough, Kristina Oblasova, Yukina Ota, Katy Taylor, and many, many non-World Junior medalists all retired at a young age for one reason or another- growth spurts, injuries, lack of motivation, getting away from mom, etc.
Do you know any other team that had so many contenders? Tutberidze’s team has most female skaters who do 3A or quads. So of course she may have higher rate of injuries than someone who has only skaters with triples or doubles. Working on quads comes with higher risks of injury. Look at Hanyu’s rate of injuries. Or when top pairs were working on quad throws and triple axels, they also had higher than average injury rates. Skaters will push themselves to win and some will get injured. And not only skaters, it is in every sport that the more you push yourself to the limits, the more you are likely to get injured. It is the risk connected with high level elite sports.
And they have poor mental health and some commit suicide. It's a big problem in the part of the country where I live. Some of these parents are something else.
They are calling out the Chinese Fed for pushing these two to stay in the sport though.
I definitely made that suggestion.
Because they have the hardest jumps. And that's even more true in the Mens event.
Nitpick: It's Zhao (Hongbo).
Torgashev had some good things to say in his podcast conversation with Polina Edmunds (paraphrasing what he said ~23 mins.) about how he overloaded the first metatarsal bone in his right foot and should have realized he needed to strengthen his right hip more (that he never fixed the main cause of his injury). He stressed "how important it is to take a step back and evaluate everything that you're doing" re. warm up routines, including stretching more together with proper recovery after on ice training - "that's what separates the great from the good."
So social media companies have a duty to address this since it's a known issue, just like the skating world has to address abusive environments that encourage (or require based on their own statements) disordered eating and a preoccupation with weight in preteens and teens. I'm super glad we agree.
Most skaters will never come anywhere near a big championship or learning the most difficult, competitive jumps. So again, I get that you and some others mean well but the constant 'it's just not fair in figure skating and this shouldn't be normalized!' is something that happens in just about every facet of life beyond making a podium or a national team or getting assignments, or whatever. Kids don't get into their dream colleges even though they work their asses off in high school. They don't make the cut for dance teams or the football team. They aren't a starter in a sport. They don't get internship or job opportunities or the clothes or toys that others around them may have.
Bless. I don’t think even Kostornaia thinks the NY NY programme is good.
?? I don’t know what she thinks, but she did sell the 2nd half of that program really well, which makes it successful. I’m not sure what’s so bad about it. I’d really like to know actually…Bless. I don’t think even Kostornaia thinks the NY NY programme is good.
