Russian figure skating news in 2023

[LeafOnTheWind]

That "consensus" is founded in no small measure on what Tutberidze's staff has said about Kostornaia. There are enough reports of their abusing skaters who, for one reason or another, don't fit in that anything negative they say about her must be taken with extreme skepticism.

She has also described a lot of serious injuries. I am wondering how many coaches said she wasn't working hard when she was actually smart enough to hold back a little and probably shouldn't have been practicing at all until she was healed. It doesn't sound like any of them care how injured their skaters are and push them on when they shouldn't.

 

[Ananas Astra]

I saw a tweet that snipped a reddit comment which said she and Kunitsa are dating. https://twitter.com/Kostornaiastan/status/1614969371100585984

If that happens to be the main argument for her switch, it's...pretty dumb TBH, considering her "history".

 

[On My Own]

If that happens to be the main argument for her switch, it's...pretty dumb TBH, considering her "history".

Eh... I'd skate with a cute guy if I could If her amateur career is over, then why not.

 

[taf2002]

In a recent post I said: "All this switching leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don't want them or anyone to move to the US (or anyone really) just to get an Oly berth. I want immigrants who want to live here & want a path to citizenship esp if the plan is to move back to home country after they get what they want. Why should skaters get more consideration ahead of people who have been on waiting lists to move here?"

I meant to say "I don't want them or anyone to move to the US (or anywhere really) just to get an Oly berth" which really changes the meaning of this sentence. I just meant that if someone skates for a country they have never been to & has no intention of living there or even visiting if they don't have to then "parade of nations" is meaningless.

 

[Sylvia]

Хавронина образовала танцевальную пару с Нарижным, сообщил источник

Фигуристка Ирина Хавронина образовала танцевальную пару с Девидом Нарижным, сообщил РИА Новости источник, близкий к ситуации. РИА Новости Спорт, 16.01.2023

rsport.ria.ru

MOSCOW, January 16 - RIA Novosti. Figure skater Irina Khavronina formed a dance couple with David Narizhny [Devid Naryzhnyy], a source close to the situation told RIA Novosti.
The duet will train with Denis Samokhin in Balashikha, Elizaveta Khudaiberdieva / Egor Bazin also work in this group.
Earlier, the duet of Narizhny and Annabelle Morozov broke up, and Khavronina stopped working with Dario Cirisano.

 

[Ananas Astra]

Now if Morozov could get Cirisano to skate with his daughter, they might have won the jackpot. Cirisano is insanely talented.

 

[hanca]

Now if Morozov could get Cirisano to skate with his daughter, they might have won the jackpot. Cirisano is insanely talented.

And he may be willing to train occasionally in the USA, unlike Narizhny…

 

[Belsornia]

Could Cirisano be looking to switch to Italy? He was born there and his father is Italian, IIRC.

 

[starrynight]

. I just meant that if someone skates for a country they have never been to & has no intention of living there or even visiting if they don't have to then "parade of nations" is meaningless.

I totally agree.

It must also be a bit demoralising for local skaters seeing random foreigners just parachuted in.

I think I can even recall some complaints about a skater (this might have been Greece) not even going to the nationals comp in the adopted country and just getting appointed to the international spots.

That said, Kirill Khaliavin (or Jalyavin as he uses now) really made use of switching to Spain and now lives and works there with his family.

Perhaps these days, Russian skaters might actually be eyeing off all the benefits of another citizenship beyond just skating.

 

[TAHbKA]

Russian ch1 cup participants:
Semenenko, Gumennik, Samarin, Aliev, Kovalev, Mozalev, Ignatov, Luftfullin
Akatieva, Valieva, Tuktamysheva, Muraviova, Petrosian, Zinina, Yametova, Gorbacheva, Samodelkina
Boikova/Kozlovski, Mishina/Gallyamov, Tarasova/Morozov, Kadyrova/Kolesov
out of competition but will skate: Khudaberdieva/Bazin, Shanaeva/Drozd, Tutunina/Bagin, Kaganovskaya/Angelopol

 

[TAHbKA]

Stanuslava Konstantinova retired. Anyone shocked?

 

[Ananas Astra]

Stanuslava Konstantinova retired. Anyone shocked?

hihihihihihihi

 

[Ananas Astra]

Khuda is killing me at the Channel One cup.
She and partner are skating an Exhibition (????) program, so far consisting of "Summertime" and "Sex Bomb" .

 

[million$momma]

Eh... I'd skate with a cute guy if I could If her amateur career is over, then why not.

I saw a video on social media somewhere (but of course I am struggling to find it again) of her landing a beautiful throw. Even if it is just for shows she had the look of a confident, spunky pairs girl.

 

[angi]

Khuda is killing me at the Channel One cup.
She and partner are skating an Exhibition (????) program, so far consisting of "Summertime" and "Sex Bomb" .

And still managing to have a sketchy near-fall moment in it... Their part is the only one I tuned into because I was so curious to see if they can manage a clean skate after having so many disasters this season and the answer is a big nope... Not sure what is going on there (though I have my theories) but there's clear regression with both, and especially Khuda.

 

[Ananas Astra]

And still managing to have a sketchy near-fall moment in it... Their part is the only one I tuned into because I was so curious to see if they can manage a clean skate after having so many disasters this season and the answer is a big nope... Not sure what is going on there (though I have my theories) but there's clear regression with both, and especially Khuda.

Russian Ice Dance is tragic.
Only Kaganovskaya/Angelopol give me hope.

 

[angi]

Just saw on Twitter that Anastasia Zinina had a fall during her skate and was unable to get up - a scene that is way too similar to the one of Daria Usacheva falling during NHK warm up. The camera cut away and they didn't show how she left the ice but I doubt it was on her own. Really troubling scenes and another reminder of what the culture of Russian skating is doing to these skaters.

ETA:https://twitter.com/AngiTalkSkating/status/1616851529117597697

 

[ninjapirate]

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[karmena]

No wonder Plushenko forbid her to jump and expelled Zinina from his academy when she refused to follow instructions, continued to jump.

 

[On My Own]

That is exactly how I love my teachers - with their faces lovingly contorted with rage.

Wait no -

 

[Ananas Astra]

Just saw on Twitter that Anastasia Zinina had a fall during her skate and was unable to get up - a scene that is way too similar to the one of Daria Usacheva falling during NHK warm up. The camera cut away and they didn't show how she left the ice but I doubt it was on her own. Really troubling scenes and another reminder of what the culture of Russian skating is doing to these skaters.

ETA:https://twitter.com/AngiTalkSkating/status/1616851529117597697

Because ONLY IN RUSSIA, skaters injure themselves...I don't recall skaters like Jessica Dubé, Ashley Cain-Gribble or Maé-Bérénice Méité being victims of "the culture of Russian skating", but okay.

BTW Channel One reacted really well and the cameras showed the crowd and the teams after it was clear that Zinina couldn't get up instead of zooming in on her being helped off the ice.

 

[angi]

Because ONLY IN RUSSIA, skaters injure themselves...I don't recall skaters like Jessica Dubé, Ashley Cain-Gribble or Maé-Bérénice Méité being victims of "the culture of Russian skating", but okay.

BTW Channel One reacted really well and the cameras showed the crowd and the teams after it was clear that Zinina couldn't get up instead of zooming in on her being helped off the ice.

For the love of god with this idiotic discussion, if at this point in time you refuse to accept the reality in which the skating culture in Russia is beyond sick, nothing will help you. It's a game of numbers, I can name injured skaters from every federation in the world, but none have the number of injuries that we see in young women competing for Russia (and before you talk about the size of the federation, as it applies to percentage as well). And that's without even taking the proven doping and the on record quotes from Russian skaters and coaches about that culture.

 

[euterpe]

Because ONLY IN RUSSIA, skaters injure themselves...I don't recall skaters like Jessica Dubé, Ashley Cain-Gribble or Maé-Bérénice Méité being victims of "the culture of Russian skating", but okay.

BTW Channel One reacted really well and the cameras showed the crowd and the teams after it was clear that Zinina couldn't get up instead of zooming in on her being helped off the ice.

NOT fair to compare singles skaters to pairs individuals. In the case of Jessica Dube, she was injured in a freak spin accident where her partner traveled too close and cut her face with his blade. In the case of Ashley Cain, she fell from a lift and her head hit the ice.
Of course no one blamed either the skater or her partner, because both injuries were the result of the real risks encountered in pairs skating that pairs skaters bravely accept.

When a singles skater falls for no apparent reason and can't get up, clearly there was something physically wrong with the skater, who shouldn't have been competing in the first place. But the pressure on Russian skaters to practice long hours, even when injured, and to go out and compete no matter how they feel is so great that they do it---because if they don't, their skating career could be at an end.

NO comparison there.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

Because ONLY IN RUSSIA, skaters injure themselves...I don't recall skaters like Jessica Dubé, Ashley Cain-Gribble or Maé-Bérénice Méité being victims of "the culture of Russian skating", but okay.

BTW Channel One reacted really well and the cameras showed the crowd and the teams after it was clear that Zinina couldn't get up instead of zooming in on her being helped off the ice.

This must be a record for what a short time it took for someone to try to make this claim.

 

[_Lola_]

Anastasia's hip is bruised, not fractured, her coach said.

 

[euterpe]

A bone bruise? Not good.

 

[Ananas Astra]

Calm down, folks.
I just said that it happens from time to time that skaters get injured during competitions because...well...this is sports and injuries do happen...even during performances.
It could happen to anyone anywhere.
Yes, the Russian competition is hard, very hard, but blaming it ONLY on this is nonsense.

 

[greenapple]

Calm down, folks.
I just said that it happens from time to time that skaters get injured during competitions because...well...this is sports and injuries do happen...even during performances.
It could happen to anyone anywhere.
Yes, the Russian competition is hard, very hard, but blaming it ONLY on this is nonsense.

It happens to Russian female singles skaters more often than it does to anyone from any other nation. It has become an obsession for so many women/parents/coaches in that country to be at the top no matter the health cost. The rest of the civilized world has moved on from their nonsense.

 

[_Lola_]

A bone bruise? Not good.

They will know her final diagnosis today after doing an MRI. It's not a fracture, but it can be, for example, a torn ligament.

 

[_Lola_]

It happens to Russian female singles skaters more often than it does to anyone from any other nation. It has become an obsession for so many women/parents/coaches in that country to be at the top no matter the health cost. The rest of the civilized world has moved on from their nonsense.

Every single elite athlete in this sport is injured at some point in their career. You can probably count the number of athletes who were not seriously injured at some point in their careers on one hand. Statistically, Russia probably has more skaters than any other nation at this point. Also, statistically, Russia probably broadcasts more figure skating events than any other nation. That is why you see more injuries, also in live action. If you look at figure skating vlogs like TSL, they are all heavily focused on Russian figure skating. I'm thinking sometimes they know better what's going on in Russia than what's going on in their home country or, more broadly, in North America or elsewhere. It probably brings more clicks, idk?

As for health costs, there are plenty of sports-related issues in Russia similar to those in North America. Weight control is one of them. I keep hearing how Kamila V., Anna S. and Sasha T. look healthier now, but they are still got dissed. They are 16- to 18-year-old young women who are supposed to grow every year, so there is nothing unnatural here. This year they look different from last year; and last year they looked different from the year before.

To put it in a broader context, look at Kaetlyn Osmond after the Olympics. She became fuller-figured. Or look at Mariah Bell, she's fuller too. Or look even at Gabriella Papadakis, who has a different body now as well. How many injuries did they have in a supposedly healthier and less competitive environment? They are grown women who are not supposed to change that much, but they have changed noticeably after the Olympics. No one points fingers at them, instead pointing them at growing teenagers. Russia is going through its own discussion of weight control, and more athletes are opening up about their struggles. Anastasia Skoptsova, for instance, gave a heartbreaking interview about her fight with weight, as a result of which she decided to end her career. Stanislava Konstantinova spoke about it too. Even Liza Hudaiberdieva, who is an active athlete, has acknowledged that she has had problems with weight control. How is it different, for instance, from Gabby Daleman, who has been dealing with body image issues for years, or from K-M Towers who revealed about her eating disorder? Russia has much more brutal competition, probably incomparable to any other nation, which certainly doesn't make it a healthier environment. But lots of issues are sports-related and could benefit from being put in a broader context, in my opinion.