I have given links to World Rugby's workshop's site several times. You can listen to the summary or look at the slides for presentations (for and against) here.
. The various governing bodies are also making evidence-based decisions rooted in scientific fact.This thread is full of evidence, but some refuse to see it
Have you read what I have provided?
It's not "body type". It is sex.
The data on how these changes that can be detected in a lab translate to real-life performance is mixed. Taking hormones to lower testosterone levels does cause changes in the trans body including lowering bone density and muscle mass while increasing fat deposits. Trans women who are athletes report that, as they transition medically, they have lower performance levels because of this. The question is then how much lower on average and is it more than other physical advantages in sport that we readily accept.
That was literally your argument.Literally hilarious.
My argument was that science can predict the consequences of physical events without them actually happening. You don't want a biological male boxer to punch a female boxer's head at full strength because the difference in power and anatomy is so huge.
Yes, it's clear from the posts I've made in this thread that I can't deal with substance. I'm a very uneducated, extremist, radical who's just regurgitating ultra-left wing talking points I got from reading the large print edition of Judith Butler 4 Dummies.
I think it's been generally accepted that skaters shouldn't be reading FSU? Or at least, that nobody is expected to temper their posts based on the possibility that skaters will be reading.
This is exactly what I was talking about with how isolated data often doesn't translate to what is happening in the real world. A good example is some data on endurance athletes that claimed to show that consuming calories with a certain protein-to-carb ratio within a certain "window of opportunity" leads to better muscle recovery. It turned out that this conclusion was a result of how the various studies were constructed and there is actually no special window. These types of research problems are all over sports research.
There are definitely elite skaters' parents on FSU. Maybe not "all over" but they are here. They mostly lurk but not always.
How can you "point to a pattern of unfair outcomes" for any kind of unfairness? For that, you have to be able to calculate where every particular athlete would have ended up if she hadn't gone through male puberty. Where would she end up if you took away a third of her muscle mass or if she didn't have 90% more upper body strength etc. Performance science makes attempts at these calculations for one or two variables but when practically the whole body has been affected by male puberty?
The scientists have known about hormone copycat chemicals in the water at least since I worked for an enviro org in the mid ‘90s. They should continue to research the impact.
Good for you. I do.
So we have one elite swimmer and 2 or 3 high school track athletes who win things. But also sometimes lose.
So the average, middle-of-the-road person has no problems with respecting people's pronouns, doesn't think that they are being asked to redefine their entire concept of gender and who they are, and thinks kids who identify as transgender should get puberty blockers maybe even if their parents aren't supportive. But does think that trans girls are dominating sport (they aren't) and that "it's just science" (it isn't)
I'll add a third: a culture that discourages women from competing in sports.
