U.S. Women [#6]: The More the Merrier!
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Theatregirl1122
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I think she absolutely would if she was 4th and the skater in 3rd were someone with nothing in their BOW.
I think safe bet is that the team will be Amber, Isabeau, and whichever one of Alysa, Bradie, Ava, Sarah, Elyce finishes highest. I think that could change if Isabeau bombs or is clearly injured.
Alysa has the strongest resume of those four, but I don't think it's strong enough to get her on the team over one of them. If she was 4th and, for example, Lindsay was 3rd, I think it might be enough to get her on the team over Lindsey. Elyce probably has the weakest resume of the four, but not so weak that I think they'd necessarily leave her off the team for one of them.
Obviously if things go fully crazy and the podium is like Amber, Starr, Lindsay, and Clare, then USFSA will have a lot of problems. LOL.
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Thorngren could win Nationals, and I would hesitate to send her, since her protocols look like the instructions to create secure passwords, and her scores this year have been consistently okay, but not great.
Karen-W
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I feel the same about the Jr Women... If Josephine manages to have another great Nats and finishes highest of the Jr Worlds eligible women while Sophie wins the Jr title, then it's going to be a real conundrum for the USFS to pick that team too.
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OMG - I never thought of that, but you're totally right. The next time I need to create an obnoxious 16-character password for a job, I'm going to have to pick a fave skater's worst judging protocol this season and go from there until I get to 16 characters, lol.
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Lindsay is a skater with great promise and I think she would benefit from training under Tracy and Orser. Lindsay has an innate artistry despite her lack of facial expression that invites you in and her glide across the ice is unmatched by any other U.S. woman right now—Isabeau included. Her packaging is consistently excellent but her jumps, probably due to factors including growth and consistent injuries, are not rotated. It would be one thing to consistently under-rotate a triple Lutz-triple Toe but she is consistently under-rotating triple jumps on their own. I always feel for her because she will put down a "clean" skate only to score in the 180-190s and it must be disheartening every time. I think she, just as much as Isabeau, needs to re-tool her jumps because she's someone who can make a name for herself in the next quad.
As for Isabeau, I will never write her off but I do think she needs to focus on healing because she has had back problems since her junior days. Folks who follow the Junior Grand Prix will remember that in her first season, she earned her ticket to the Junior Grand Prix Final but withdrew due to injury. Furthermore, she consistently fell on spins and had issues with quickly getting into certain spin positions last year which are signs of an ongoing back problem. This brings me to the topic of technique. We want to believe that there is a "one size fits all" technique that one can magically learn to prevent injury but this is not true. This is not true of any sport. Bodies are all created differently and when you are putting your body through the intense training regiment required of Olympic level athletes, regardless of technique, injuries are anticipated if not impossible to avoid. What is important is learning a regiment that prevents injury and sustains you through the various changes your body inevitably undergoes. That said, figure skating involves a lot of torque so back problems are nearly inescapable. For example, even skaters with clean and pure techniques either lose their consistency with certain jumps or suffer from terrible back problems. That is why an individualized and sustainable technique that grows and adjusts with your body is so important. If Isabeau can re-tool her toe jumps (Lutz, Flip, and Toe) to adequately fit her, I think she would be golden but re-learning just one jump takes years. If anyone can do it, however, I think it's someone like Isabeau who not only has the fighting spirit but has demonstrated time and time again that she can never be counted out.
If Isabeau does come back and skates lights out or even just 80-90% of what she is capable of, then I would put her on the team. However, perhaps giving her the time to heal would be a better long-term strategy. Isabeau is only 17 and she will be 18 during the Olympic season. If she manages to make it to the next Olympics, she will be 22. She has a lot of time to grow and develop, I don't think now is necessarily the time to put everything in one basket. She herself said that she wants to skate for as long as possible, I would hate for that dream to be dashed because she was pushed too hard too soon.
As for Isabeau, I will never write her off but I do think she needs to focus on healing because she has had back problems since her junior days. Folks who follow the Junior Grand Prix will remember that in her first season, she earned her ticket to the Junior Grand Prix Final but withdrew due to injury. Furthermore, she consistently fell on spins and had issues with quickly getting into certain spin positions last year which are signs of an ongoing back problem. This brings me to the topic of technique. We want to believe that there is a "one size fits all" technique that one can magically learn to prevent injury but this is not true. This is not true of any sport. Bodies are all created differently and when you are putting your body through the intense training regiment required of Olympic level athletes, regardless of technique, injuries are anticipated if not impossible to avoid. What is important is learning a regiment that prevents injury and sustains you through the various changes your body inevitably undergoes. That said, figure skating involves a lot of torque so back problems are nearly inescapable. For example, even skaters with clean and pure techniques either lose their consistency with certain jumps or suffer from terrible back problems. That is why an individualized and sustainable technique that grows and adjusts with your body is so important. If Isabeau can re-tool her toe jumps (Lutz, Flip, and Toe) to adequately fit her, I think she would be golden but re-learning just one jump takes years. If anyone can do it, however, I think it's someone like Isabeau who not only has the fighting spirit but has demonstrated time and time again that she can never be counted out.
If Isabeau does come back and skates lights out or even just 80-90% of what she is capable of, then I would put her on the team. However, perhaps giving her the time to heal would be a better long-term strategy. Isabeau is only 17 and she will be 18 during the Olympic season. If she manages to make it to the next Olympics, she will be 22. She has a lot of time to grow and develop, I don't think now is necessarily the time to put everything in one basket. She herself said that she wants to skate for as long as possible, I would hate for that dream to be dashed because she was pushed too hard too soon.
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Except for Amber these averages seem low - meaning, at worlds they`re unlikely to secure an OLY 3rd spot. I think of top tier ladies being above 200. The Japanese, a couple Koreans, Hendrix etc. are routinely above 200. Is the US just middling or will scores get competative later in the season?
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Besides team Japan, the only other skater besides Amber, Elyce, and Sarah to break 200 internationally so far this season is Chaeyeon Kim.
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I’m concerned that USFS will get blinded by Elyse’s score at a comp where everyone got a break on edge calls and unders. I’d rather they look first at downside score… if they blow one 3/3 and pop a few jumps, what kind of PCS will they get? Then look at median international score throwing out the high and low. If they did that, we’d get a solid team.
The fundamental issue is that she doesn't have "clean" skates-- she simply is not falling. Re-tooling multiple jumps will be a long-term task...and one not many skaters have the appetite to take on when they're competing at highish levels.
True, but she’s not going to be competing at the highish levels if she doesn’t make changes. She’ll drop out of the top 24 WS by the end of the season and she’s only the 7th-best American age-eligible woman on the SB list. It’s possible she won’t receive any GPs next season, especially when you factor in Zeigler’s anticipated return, which would make her 8th-best.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL. This may very well be the funniest post of the season so far.
1) Loena hasn't competed at all since her very poor showing at Shanghai Trophy.
2) Japan can only send 3 women to Worlds, so it doesn't really matter how many Japanese women score above 200 routinely since we only have to worry about 3 of them when it comes to earning spots for next season.
3) The 9th & 10th place finishers at Worlds last year scored 187.24 and 186.53 respectively (Livia Kaiser & Amber Glenn). The 8th place finisher scored 194.93 (Hana Yoshida). Only the top 4 cracked 200 at Worlds last year.
All six of the US women in the mix for a Worlds spot have an AVERAGE int'l score that would put them in the Top 10 at Worlds. And, if we go by the ISU's Season Best list, here's what the results would look like (taking the top 3 US and Japanese women only):
1 - Kaori Sakamoto 231.88
2 - Amber Glenn 215.54
3 - Elyce Lin-Gracey 213.33
4 - Mone Chiba 212.54
5 - Chaeyeon Kim 208.47
6 - Wakaba Higuchi 206.08
7 - Sarah Everhardt 201.90
8 - Lara Naki Gutmann 198.49
9 - Anastasiia Gubanova 195.91
10 - Kimmy Repond 195.91
Now, I don't necessarily expect that to be the outcome - nor do I expect the US Women's team to be Amber, Elyce & Sarah, so we'll only select one of Elyce/Sarah, and let's also take the average of their GP scores + the highest Challenger score (for Isabeau & Ahsun, we'll use their 1 GP & both Challenger scores; for Rion we'll average her 2 GPs since she didn't have any Challengers & didn't make the GPF). Here's what the Worlds Top 10 would look like:
1 - Amber Glenn 213.50
2 - Kaori Sakamoto 211.41
3 - Mone Chiba 211.10
4 - Chaeyeon Kim 204.38
5 - Rion Sumiyoshi 201.90 OR Wakaba Higuchi 199.66
6 & 7 - Sarah Everhardt 196.67, Isabeau Levito 195.59 OR Elyce Lin-Gracey 193.21
8 - Kimmy Repond 192.36
9 - Nina Pinzarrone 190.59
10 - Lara Naki Gutmann 189.21
If Isabeau doesn't make the team - slot Alysa Liu 192.05 or Bradie Tennell 191.13 in between Kimmy & Nina.
Add Loena in wherever you want in the Top 10 - put her ahead of any US woman not named Amber - the math is still looking VERY good for the US to get 3 spots next season.
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jlai
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Last world was rather poorly skated at the top. What did the scores look like at 2023 worlds?
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Karen-W
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As I stated, the Top 4 at 2024 Worlds all scored 200+. The 5-8 scored between 194.96 and 196.02; then 9-13 scored between 182-187.
ETA - 2023 Worlds was a slightly better skated event with the Top 6 scoring 203+; and 7-11 scoring 192-198; and 12-16 scoring 181-188.
2022 Worlds saw the Top 5 score 204+; 6-8 scored 192-197; and 9-15 ranged between 182-188.
It feels to me like we generally have 5 women who manage a 200+ score, then there's about a 5-6 point gap between them & the next highest finisher and a handful (4-5) who score in the mid 190s, followed by another 4-6 point gap and another group (5-6) who score in the mid 180s.
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Re-posting from her fan thread ... I just came across this 16-minute interview today - Amber spoke very articulately with Tatjana Flade & Judith Dombrowski after she won the 2024 Grand Prix de France, uploaded by Ice Skating International Online on Nov. 7, 2024: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkwkakU8PNo
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At the top of NBC Nightly News just now was a tease for a story tonight on Amber Glenn's GPF win! 
I know NBC Today show also covered it this morning -- video is in Sylvia's post in Amber's fan thread.
I know NBC Today show also covered it this morning -- video is in Sylvia's post in Amber's fan thread.
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As often is the case, Nightly News piece was somewhat different from the one that aired on Today, although both were from NBC correspondent Anne Thompson.
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jlai
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I meant to ask about 2023 worlds lol. Thanks for the response despite my typo over the year
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THIS. I guess she's the opposite of someone who does a bunch of throwaway arm waves and gestures. It's Michelle Kwan's "ooze" to the nth degree. wayyyyyyyy too precious and wayyyyyyy too focused on every. single. moment. looking extremely pretty. Just loses any feeling of freedom and flow. I wonder whether she ever has allowed herself to just improvise and let loose. I very much doubt it.
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Sophie Joline von Felten’s 4S+3A practice clip:
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Sophie Joline von Felten on Instagram: "4S+3A from today!💪😁"
1,897 likes, 89 comments - sophie_joline09 on December 9, 2024: "4S+3A from today!💪😁".
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Wow! The only other person that I have ever seen do a 4S+3A sequence is Ilia Malinin! Thank you for sharing! That was incredible! I thought Sophie's 3A was a 2A at first because she made it look so easy! She made the 4S look easy too and to combine it with a 3A is out of this World!Sophie Joline von Felten’s 4S+3A practice clip:
Sophie Joline von Felten on Instagram: "4S+3A from today!💪😁"
1,897 likes, 89 comments - sophie_joline09 on December 9, 2024: "4S+3A from today!💪😁".
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I've been trying to find a witty play on "amber waves of grain," but I've got nothing.
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"Amber Waves Off Pain." But that is already old news.
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That's not bad, actually.
I think this season, the U.S. women skaters have all shown incredible effort and determination. Amber's 3A, Alysa's comeback, and the steady performances from Sarah and Bradie have been impressive. Deciding who to send to the World Championships is really tough, and I think the final decision should take into account everyone's overall performance at Nationals because their conditions might vary.
In the chaotic GP series and B-level competitions, scores between 190-195 don’t show much difference, and scores between 195-200 mark a different level, and so on. So, I think it’s a bit premature to decide whether Isabeau should go to Worlds. While her PCS is solid at present, other skaters are also improving. It all comes down to whether she can seize the opportunity during the USNats. If she doesn’t perform at her best, she won’t beat Amber. If she struggles with under-rotations or falls, she won’t beat the consistent Alysa, who has a solid 3Lz-2A-2T combo and is improving with every competition and reducing the ‘<’ call. In other scenarios, Sarah and Bradie also have a shot. That said, Sarah’s relatively lower jump difficulty and Bradie’s stamina issues should also be taken into consideration. We also know that USFS has the ability to raise other skaters’ PCS if they perform well, so Isabeau’s current advantage isn’t particularly significant. Ultimately, everything depends on her own performance.
But I still want to say that each of them has their strengths and weaknesses, and long-term progress is what truly matters. I will support all of them in delivering their best performances.
In the chaotic GP series and B-level competitions, scores between 190-195 don’t show much difference, and scores between 195-200 mark a different level, and so on. So, I think it’s a bit premature to decide whether Isabeau should go to Worlds. While her PCS is solid at present, other skaters are also improving. It all comes down to whether she can seize the opportunity during the USNats. If she doesn’t perform at her best, she won’t beat Amber. If she struggles with under-rotations or falls, she won’t beat the consistent Alysa, who has a solid 3Lz-2A-2T combo and is improving with every competition and reducing the ‘<’ call. In other scenarios, Sarah and Bradie also have a shot. That said, Sarah’s relatively lower jump difficulty and Bradie’s stamina issues should also be taken into consideration. We also know that USFS has the ability to raise other skaters’ PCS if they perform well, so Isabeau’s current advantage isn’t particularly significant. Ultimately, everything depends on her own performance.
But I still want to say that each of them has their strengths and weaknesses, and long-term progress is what truly matters. I will support all of them in delivering their best performances.
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Golden Glenn?
Karen-W
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I think everyone is tempting the SkateGods to smite us if we prematurely name a US Women’s thread here in Amber's honor.
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Maybe, “They Can’t Take That Away from Me.” It works for a lot of skaters.
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Yeah, I did worry about tempting the Skate Gods a little.
What about, So You Want To Go To Boston Worlds?
What about, So You Want To Go To Boston Worlds?
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