Zagitova announces a temporary suspension of her competitive career; will perform in shows, incl. 'Art on Ice 2020'

[AxelAnnie]

I guess this is where we disagree hanca...and settle down....I'm talking to people all day that need food, coats, diapers and rent. You are my happy spot. What I'm saying is that in fact they are NOT my favorites. But from watching other teen-aged skaters mature into young women and watching their artistic progress over time they EVENTUALLY become favorites because of their technical gifts coupled with their artistic growth. Is there anyway that I thought Kostner would become such a gorgeous skater when I first saw her? NO WAY. And then years later she took my breath away. There is such a glut of talent in Russia today that so many girls are discarded before they are women and before we see who they can be artistically. I simply want an older category so they can remain in the game longer---not because I'm upset about the new young talent or that my "favorite" is left out. The youth will have the technical gold which would surpass anything else. But that doesn't mean it needs to stop for everyone else.

What do you mean by "discarded"?

 

[hanca]

Or figure skating could redefine freeskating as it currently exists to lower the value of in air rotation relative to on ice technical and athletic skills. Or make separate disciplines for ice jumping and for blade to ice skills. And maybe a separate disciplines emphasizing performance. The usu could hold performance skating championships even if the ioc doesn't consider it sporty enough for the Olympics. Or instead of SP and FS singles events could have one phase that's almost all about jumps and another that's not about jumps at all.

Or those who care about the beauty and don’t want to watch the quads could go and watch exhibitions. That’s a cheaper solution than changing the whole system of the sport. It sounds a bit arrogant to hope that the sport will change the way you want it. We are not talking about tiny changes that happen every year, you are hoping for a complete overhaul of the sport.

 

[hanca]

Speaking of Caro, she just had hip surgery. Without any quads or a triple axel.

I had hip surgery with single jumps, so why Kostner shouldn’t have it with triples? (My next door had hip surgery without any jumps at all, so one can get the same problems even without skating).

 

[giselle23]

Let's see. Both Sarah and Alina had lousy posture, control-freak coaches and an unexpected Olympic win. Both wins resulted in changing the rules (no UR 3-3s given credit, limited backloading) so that THAT wouldn't happen again, a sure sign from any organization that it's not thrilled with how things played out.

Both have always seemed like very nice girls.

Alina's win was not unexpected for anyone who was paying attention. Her PCS rose so much during the 2017-18 season that it was pretty apparent that Evgenia could not beat her. Evgenia's advantage was PCS and rightly or wrongly, she lost it when Alina started getting 9-plus marks on everything. With Alina's higher TES, the odds were in her favor to win.

 

[Cachoo]

Or those who care about the beauty and don’t want to watch the quads could go and watch exhibitions. That’s a cheaper solution than changing the whole system of the sport. It sounds a bit arrogant to hope that the sport will change the way you want it. We are not talking about tiny changes that happen every year, you are hoping for a complete overhaul of the sport.

And yet I would like to see it opened up competitively...and yes, I would like to see an overhaul of the sport.

 

[giselle23]

Beating Kwan AND Slutskaya at a GP event under 6.0 scoring is nothing to sneeze at, imo.

What genius put all three of those skaters together at a Grand Prix event? It was Skate Canada, as I recall. They met again at the GP Final and that time, it was Slute 1, Kwan 2 and Hughes 3.

 

[hanca]

And yet I would like to see it opened up competitively...and yes, I would like to see an overhaul of the sport.

Oh, well, we don’t always get everything we want. As I don’t think you have the power to change it, you may have to accept that it is how it is. While US federation may want to change things now, in two year’s time it will be convenient if things remain as they are, because Alysa Liu will be senior eligible. Japanese federation also may want to keep axels and quads properly rewarded, because their ladies are already working on them.

 

[MacMadame]

I had hip surgery with single jumps, so why Kostner shouldn’t have it with triples? (My next door had hip surgery without any jumps at all, so one can get the same problems even without skating).

This was somewhat my point. In this thread people are talking about how doing all these harder jumps is going to wreak these skaters' bodies. But many skaters who don't do the harder jumps also become broken down. It's not as simple as "quads are bad, triples are good." If you ask more of your body than it's willing to give (like Lipinski with her endless practice of 3L-3L), it will break down.

While US federation may want to change things now,

What evidence is there that the US federation wants to change things?

 

[Cachoo]

Oh, well, we don’t always get everything we want. As I don’t think you have the power to change it, you may have to accept that it is how it is. While US federation may want to change things now, in two year’s time it will be convenient if things remain as they are, because Alysa Liu will be senior eligible. Japanese federation also may want to keep axels and quads properly rewarded, because their ladies are already working on them.

Uh...this is not about which country has what skater who is doing what new jump etc...this is a way to see good skaters continue competition into adulthood on an international stage. What I'm saying to Russia (and Japan) is "more please!"

 

[AxelAnnie]

And yet I would like to see it opened up competitively...and yes, I would like to see an overhaul of the sport.

Didn't they do an overhaul with COP?
What would a complete overhaul look like?

I don't think one could get a group together who would agree on what skating should look like. What should be rewarded and how. What should be penalized and how?

Although..............we could just ask Moskvina, and have her re-invent the entire sport. Her I would trust.

 

[hanca]

Uh...this is not about which country has what skater who is doing what new jump etc...this is a way to see good skaters continue competition into adulthood on an international stage. What I'm saying to Russia (and Japan) is "more please!"

I know that this is not about which countries skater does what. My point was that if most of the countries who have some power in skating don’t want this change, it is unlikely the change will ever happen. From the top skating countries, the only country in whose interest it would be if quads were discouraged is Canada, because as far as I know, they have no ladies who are getting close to landing quads.

 

[gkelly]

There have been two major overhauls in my memory: eliminating figures, and replacing ordinal rankings with absolute scores.

Within each general era between major changes there have also been incremental changes along the way that try to mold the emphasis of the sport. And also skaters themselves push the sport technically, based on what the rules reward.

The current rules give highest rewards to jump difficulty, so that's the direction most skaters have been pushing. With different rules, skaters might push different technical skills more.

 

[Cachoo]

I know that this is not about which countries skater does what. My point was that if most of the countries who have some power in skating don’t want this change, it is unlikely the change will ever happen. From the top skating countries, the only country in whose interest it would be if quads were discouraged is Canada, because as far as I know, they have no ladies who are getting close to landing quads.

And I cannot argue with that; If they are happy with the status quo then nothing changes.

 

[Karen-W]

What genius put all three of those skaters together at a Grand Prix event? It was Skate Canada, as I recall. They met again at the GP Final and that time, it was Slute 1, Kwan 2 and Hughes 3.

IIRC, the skaters got to pick their assignments and the 1-6 seeds weren't split 1-3/4-6 with no more than 1 in each tier at any given GP. Plus, they could have 3 GPs with 2 designated to count toward the GPF points. So, it would have been a situation where Slute, Kwan and Hughes each asked for Skate Canada.

 

[VGThuy]

IIRC, the skaters got to pick their assignments and the 1-6 seeds weren't split 1-3/4-6 with no more than 1 in each tier at any given GP. Plus, they could have 3 GPs with 2 designated to count toward the GPF points. So, it would have been a situation where Slute, Kwan and Hughes each asked for Skate Canada.

And of course with the three most recent and reigning World medalists asking to skate there in the season of the Olympics, Skate Canada was like "No problem!"

 

[skatingguy]

I know that this is not about which countries skater does what. My point was that if most of the countries who have some power in skating don’t want this change, it is unlikely the change will ever happen. From the top skating countries, the only country in whose interest it would be if quads were discouraged is Canada, because as far as I know, they have no ladies who are getting close to landing quads.

I don't think that will necessarily mean anything. Canada has just come out of the most productive decade in the history for us, and we will not likely achieve that level of success for some time, if ever again. I could see the change going through, but not until after the next Olympics. These sort of significant changes shouldn't be made now when many athletes will have set their strategy for the Olympic season based on the rules as they exist now.

 

[barbarafan]

At least with gymnastics there is competition on the collegiate level that is popular and provides a place to compete for those who are not the few that make the Olympic team. I find exhibitions ok but would much rather see competition and I think the Zagitova's of the world still have something to offer even if they never do a quad. And in Russia I think there are so many who might provide scintillating competition on the world stage...not just in Russian Nationals. This isn't rocket science: You shouldn't be washed up when you are still a teenager.

Pressure should be put on ISU to improve judging of PCS. This marking of PCS according to score of Tes is nonsense. As well the GOE's are also marked weird...Oh a quad!! even if it is ugly and poorly landed the GOE is too high. 5 means perfection.

 

[gkelly]

5 means perfection.

Not the way the goe guidelines are currently written. Rules could be rewritten to say what you think they should say. If the rules said 5 means perfection then it would be wise to define perfection.

 

[barbarafan]

Not the way the goe guidelines are currently written. Rules could be rewritten to say what you think they should say. If the rules said 5 means perfection then it would be wise to define perfection.

How about 5 means could not be performed better.

 

[gkelly]

How about 5 means could not be performed better.

And how would you define that? There are always ways to perform even better. In a strictly comparative competition only among the best in the world I'm sure the competitors would find ways to outo each other.

 

[AxelAnnie]

Pressure should be put on ISU to improve judging of PCS. This marking of PCS according to score of Tes is nonsense. As well the GOE's are also marked weird...Oh a quad!! even if it is ugly and poorly landed the GOE is too high. 5 means perfection.

It seems to me that they are using PCS as a placement substitute. As in....this person should be in second............so lets jam up that PCS.

Absolutely could not agree with you more. Please mark the PCS as it is.........not as a reward for trying a difficult element. This is why we lose audiences and casual fans. If your butt hits the ice............it is a fall.....even if it was rotated.

And, if you are going to add a movement make it means something other than....stick my leg up...out...over whatever.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Happy New Year from Alina Zagitova and Team!

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[Japanfan]

It's simple. I think ANY skater when 18 should go to university/get education and/or get a profession/business. Sport is a HOBBY. I will not like Alina any less if she does not, but since i do like her, i am going to wish her what i think is a bigger future in life. It's selfish to want a young person to keep on skating for your own pleasure, if education and profession are proven to be better options for centuries and centuries.

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Not to mention the knowledge and life experience gained from education and participation in the workplace. Skaters live largely in a bubble and have limited opportunities to experience much outside of that bubble when they are training and competing.

 

[Tinami Amori]

In the mean time......

Shiseido announces extension and continuation of cooperation with Alina Zagitova.

"WE LOVE Arena Zagitova! 5 reasons we support her in 2020"

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Shiseido: «5 причин почему мы любим Алину Загитову и будем поддерживать ее в 2020 году!»

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[Alilou]

She's back training b ut not necessarily to compete:

Eteri Tutberidze: Alina told us “Stop forcing me.”

Eteri Tutberidze about Alina Zagitova's decision to take a pause in her career and Alina about her desire to get back to the training process.

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