Worlds 2024 Women FS: ‘Where Have All The Knitters Gone?’

[Vagabond]

"Maddie the Nebbish" would be a good name for a children's book.

 

[her grace]

Congrats to Sakamoto on the three-peat!

Lovely to see Levito have a Michelle Kwan 97 moment, coming back so strong after a disastrous nationals.

Great job Kim on winning bronze. There's a nice ease to her skating and her consistency always makes her a medal threat.

Skate of the night for me was Repond. That's the performance I'll rewatch, clean technique combined with musical sensitivity and performance.

And special shout-out to Kaiser. Pretty unsung before this championship season, but 4th at Euros and 9th here is a fantastic result for someone who's never even skated on the GP. And now she's guaranteed herself 2 GPs next season!

 

[Private Citizen]

I woke up happy this morning.

First, the calling. This is a great example of reality-based calling and restrained scoring. Still some opportunities for improvement, especially on GoE (e.g., Sakamoto’s flutz should receive -2 or even -3), but at least the egregious errors that are usually ignored were called this time. I have no problem with skaters like Sakamoto winning with relatively conservative programs as long as their errors are called and their GoEs are reality based. Yesterday they were.

Two, Levito What a triumph over the adversity that has been this season. She’s such a beautiful skater with a commitment to her choreography and presentation. At the beginning of the season, I felt like she was dressing up in other people’s clothes - quite literally with heavy costumes and borrowed ideas and overdone choreography. She shed what wasn’t working, stripped things back to the essence, and rediscovered her lightness and freedom. (Now do the same on the lutz please ). This was impressive. I didn’t think she had it in her. I agree with others that Levito looks different. I’ve never thought she was pretty before (a cute kid sure), but her face has “shades of Hollywood” about it.

Third, Kim. If a Korean woman is going to medal, I wanted it to be the one with the giant, Pasha-like cross on her costume .

Fourth, Repond! I love everything about her and think she may well have ended up on the podium if she managed to stand up on the lutz in the short program. Of the women in this comp, I’d bet on her as the most likely to be able to catch Sakamoto without a triple axel or quad.

Overall, well called, judged, and restrained!

 

[her grace]

Regarding Schizas and calls for a coaching change: Since she's balancing school with skating, it may be difficult for her to pack up and move across the country. I sense a pragmatism to her approach, which makes sense. She's a good skater, but even with some improvements is she really going to become a world medal contender? She's preparing for her post-skating future, and why disrupt that to maybe finish 10th at worlds?

 

[BlueRidge]

Isabeau plays to my SashaFan(TM) sensibilities, but it’s a wonder how she lands anything the way she speeds through her basic skating and then grinds to a halt to setup her jumps. The flip is so cautious, but highly concentrated. You can see the focus and prayers smoking from her ears.

She’s a fierce competitor. She has clearly grown significantly just since Nationals. And while she has had a difficult season, I don’t think it was due to mental fitness nor a penchant for giving up after a mistake. She pushes herself seriously even when she doubts herself. Her reaction at the end says it all.

Her reaction was absolutely priceless! She was so astonished!

ITA with all you say here. I used to think she was patterning herself on Anna Shcherbakova, but she doesn't look that way at all anymore. She's always seemed to be in the Sasha mode, though her jumps kind of make me think of Caroline Zhang.

 

[euterpe]

Regarding Schizas and calls for a coaching change: Since she's balancing school with skating, it may be difficult for her to pack up and move across the country. I sense a pragmatism to her approach, which makes sense. She's a good skater, but even with some improvements is she really going to become a world medal contender? She's preparing for her post-skating future, and why disrupt that to maybe finish 10th at worlds?

This is exactly why Skate Canada needs to switch their focus to another skater---whoever it might be. Maddie has never been a consistent skater and is unlikely to become one if her focus is divided.

 

[MacMadame]

her jumps kind of make me think of Caroline Zhang.

Word on that. I don't notice her slowing down into the jumps so much, but I notice that mule kick on the toe jumps. It's jarring.

This is exactly why Skate Canada needs to switch their focus to another skater---whoever it might be. Maddie has never been a consistent skater and is unlikely to become one if her focus is divided.

Or, I don't know, why don't these federations learn how to concentrate on more than one skater? I don't mean that literally because of course more than one skater gets funding and assignments. But it seems like a lot of these federations have their star that gets a lot of attention and a lot of the benefit of the doubt including in cases where giving the same to a different skater would be appropriate.

Then again, it's a bit of a chicken & egg situation. If the other skaters want that, maybe they should produce in competitions. OTOH, if they got that, maybe they would.

 

[RoseAugust]

My favorite skate was by Isabeau. I'm always surprised by her lightness (given her jump technique). I love the lightness and her choreography is interesting. The program just flew by for me. I love the power of Kaori and she was the obvious winner, but her programs never do it for me.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

I know this is the free skate thread but I’m watching the USA broadcast with Tara Lipinski and Johnny now because it’s raining here and I’m glad they said Mone was referencing Cohen from 06 because I kept thinking the other day was wow this looks like Sasha Cohen’s program right down to the costume. Lol.

 

[Sylvia]

Play-by-play posts updated to reflect the protocols.

Thank You again, @skatingguy - I decided to watch the women without checking this PBP thread or social media, so will go back later and revisit eventually.

Women
Result
FPl. Name Nation Points SP FS

GOLD Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN 222.96 4 1
SILVER Isabeau LEVITO USA 212.16 2 2
BRONZE Chaeyeon KIM KOR 203.59 6 3
4 Loena HENDRICKX BEL 200.25 1 8
5 Kimmy REPOND SUI 196.02 12 4
6 Haein LEE KOR 195.48 3 12
7 Mone CHIBA JPN 195.46 13 5
8 Hana YOSHIDA JPN 194.93 8 6
9 Livia KAISER SUI 187.24 10 9
10 Amber GLENN USA 186.53 9 11
11 Ekaterina KURAKOVA POL 184.76 14 10
12 Young YOU KOR 183.35 5 14
13 Anastasiia GUBANOVA GEO 182.42 20 7
14 Olga MIKUTINA AUT 177.76 16 13
15 Nina PINZARRONE BEL 177.46 11 16
16 Niina PETROKINA EST 176.53 7 18
17 Lorine SCHILD FRA 172.90 18 15
18 Madeline SCHIZAS CAN 171.78 17 17
19 Josefin TALJEGARD SWE 167.47 15 20
20 Sarina JOOS ITA 167.04 19 19
21 Nataly LANGERBAUR EST 159.55 24 21
22 Tzu-Han TING TPE 157.83 22 22
23 Mia RISA GOMEZ NOR 147.13 23 23
24 Nella PELKONEN FIN 145.45 21 24
Final Not Reached
25 Nina POVEY GBR 53.50 25
26 Alexandra FEIGIN BUL 53.33 26
27 Julia SAUTER ROU 52.52 27
28 Eliska BREZINOVA CZE 50.90 28
29 Kristina ISAEV GER 50.07 29
30 Vanesa SELMEKOVA SVK 48.94 30
31 Sofja STEPCENKO LAT 46.74 31
32 Mariia SENIUK ISR 46.57 32
33 Anastasia GRACHEVA MDA 46.12 33
34 Anastasia GOZHVA UKR 40.28 34
35 Meda VARIAKOJYTE LTU 40.04 35

Protocols: http://www.isuresults.com/results/s...------FNL-000100--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf

Pl.	Name	Nation	TSS =	TES +		PCS +	CO	PR	SK	Ded. -	StN.
1​	Kaori SAKAMOTO	JPN	149.67​	75.08​		74.59​	9.29​	9.29​	9.36​	0.00​	#21​
2​	Isabeau LEVITO	USA	138.43​	68.04​		70.39​	8.79​	8.89​	8.68​	0.00​	#22​
3​	Chaeyeon KIM	KOR	136.68​	72.81​		63.87​	7.96​	7.89​	8.07​	0.00​	#19​
4​	Kimmy REPOND	SUI	133.38​	70.15​		63.23​	7.86​	8.00​	7.82​	0.00​	#13​
5​	Mone CHIBA	JPN	132.82​	69.38​		63.44​	7.93​	7.79​	8.04​	0.00​	#8​
6​	Hana YOSHIDA	JPN	130.37​	68.17​		63.20​	7.82​	7.71​	8.14​	1.00​	#18​
7​	Anastasiia GUBANOVA	GEO	123.76​	62.83​		60.93​	7.64​	7.61​	7.57​	0.00​	#4​
8​	Loena HENDRICKX	BEL	123.27​	54.87​		69.40​	8.71​	8.64​	8.64​	1.00​	#23​
9​	Livia KAISER	SUI	123.19​	65.23​		57.96​	7.14​	7.21​	7.36​	0.00​	#14​
10​	Ekaterina KURAKOVA	POL	122.42​	63.12​		59.30​	7.46​	7.46​	7.29​	0.00​	#10​
11​	Amber GLENN	USA	122.00​	56.67​		65.33​	8.11​	8.11​	8.25​	0.00​	#16​
12​	Haein LEE	KOR	121.93​	56.44​		65.49​	8.21​	8.11​	8.21​	0.00​	#24​
13​	Olga MIKUTINA	AUT	116.99​	57.85​		59.14​	7.36​	7.36​	7.43​	0.00​	#12​
14​	Young YOU	KOR	115.98​	56.16​		60.82​	7.57​	7.46​	7.75​	1.00​	#20​
15​	Lorine SCHILD	FRA	113.49​	59.48​		55.01​	7.00​	6.71​	6.89​	1.00​	#9​
16​	Nina PINZARRONE	BEL	113.42​	54.75​		59.67​	7.39​	7.32​	7.64​	1.00​	#15​
17​	Madeline SCHIZAS	CAN	112.13​	52.99​		59.14​	7.36​	7.36​	7.43​	0.00​	#7​
18​	Niina PETROKINA	EST	110.30​	51.33​		59.97​	7.61​	7.39​	7.46​	1.00​	#17​
19​	Sarina JOOS	ITA	107.65​	54.62​		53.03​	6.71​	6.54​	6.61​	0.00​	#6​
20​	Josefin TALJEGARD	SWE	105.92​	47.55​		58.37​	7.36​	7.46​	7.04​	0.00​	#11​
21​	Nataly LANGERBAUR	EST	105.74​	52.70​		53.04​	6.50​	6.50​	6.86​	0.00​	#5​
22​	Tzu-Han TING	TPE	101.51​	49.25​		52.26​	6.50​	6.39​	6.68​	0.00​	#1​
23​	Mia RISA GOMEZ	NOR	92.04​	45.98​		48.06​	6.07​	5.93​	6.00​	2.00​	#3​
24​	Nella PELKONEN	FIN	88.63​	39.17​		50.46​	6.36​	6.18​	6.36​	1.00​	#2​

 

[peibeck]

it's andrew torgashev's time to shine no i don't care that this is about the women

Look at his bone structure. We could put him up in high whore drag and see how he does in the ladiezzzzz. Though, he'd probably still be inconsistent AF.

 

[skategal]

Regarding Schizas and calls for a coaching change: Since she's balancing school with skating, it may be difficult for her to pack up and move across the country. I sense a pragmatism to her approach, which makes sense. She's a good skater, but even with some improvements is she really going to become a world medal contender? She's preparing for her post-skating future, and why disrupt that to maybe finish 10th at worlds?

I heard she’s added Manon Perron to her coaching team so I don’t think she will make any further changes now.

 

[tony]

I heard she’s added Manon Perron to her coaching team so I don’t think she will make any further changes now.

I'm not sure about that-- Perron is a part of the High Performance program and she's been with all of the skaters at these Worlds. I don't believe she's coaching in any capacity but I may be wrong.

ETA, found this. https://bevsmithwrites.com/bits-and-bobs/

Madeline Schizas has been accompanied at the boards in practice by Manon Perron, former coach of Olympic bronze medalist, Joannie Rochette. Schizas was inspired to skate after she watched Rochette’s courageous performance at the Vancouver Olympics, days after her mother died.

“I love having Manon,” Schizas said. “She was in with us a lot before the Olympics and when she as on staff at Skate Canada, she was with us a lot, almost every month, so she became almost a part of my coaching team.”

Schizas says it’s comforting having Perron by the boards. “She was a big part of my first senior year and it’s really nice to have her back.”

Perron always gives good advice, and she was doing so at the practices this week. “She’s a really great technical coach,” Schizas said. “She’s always got a lot of technical feedback . She’s very good with polish.”

It doesn't really make it clear from that if Manon is just there in her Skate Canada role or if she's actually been working specifically with Schizas

 

[Former Lurve Goddess]

I woke up happy this morning.

First, the calling. This is a great example of reality-based calling and restrained scoring. Still some opportunities for improvement, especially on GoE (e.g., Sakamoto’s flutz should receive -2 or even -3), but at least the egregious errors that are usually ignored were called this time. I have no problem with skaters like Sakamoto winning with relatively conservative programs as long as their errors are called and their GoEs are reality based. Yesterday they were.

Two, Levito What a triumph over the adversity that has been this season. She’s such a beautiful skater with a commitment to her choreography and presentation. At the beginning of the season, I felt like she was dressing up in other people’s clothes - quite literally with heavy costumes and borrowed ideas and overdone choreography. She shed what wasn’t working, stripped things back to the essence, and rediscovered her lightness and freedom. (Now do the same on the lutz please ). This was impressive. I didn’t think she had it in her. I agree with others that Levito looks different. I’ve never thought she was pretty before (a cute kid sure), but her face has “shades of Hollywood” about it.

Third, Kim. If a Korean woman is going to medal, I wanted it to be the one with the giant, Pasha-like cross on her costume .

Fourth, Repond! I love everything about her and think she may well have ended up on the podium if she managed to stand up on the lutz in the short program. Of the women in this comp, I’d bet on her as the most likely to be able to catch Sakamoto without a triple axel or quad.

Overall, well called, judged, and restrained!

I was so happy when I saw the Pasha cross! The Levito’s skating (and her jumps look better in person too) is stunning in person. My other half loved her footwork. And Kaori is my feminist icon Queen so the women’s podium was chef’s kiss as far as I’m concerned. Also my other half was massively impressed with Amber Glenn’s speed and flow across the ice.

 

[annie_mg]

Quite off topic but does anyone know if this choir has learned all national anthems for this competition? It's pretty impressive that they were able to sing the Japanese anthem so well!

The programme of the night for me was Kimmy closely followed by Isabeau. I wish I could under the ugly jumps but otherwise Isabeau is a dream to watch.

 

[dupa]

Yoshida and Sasha Cohen's dress

The famous "vagina" dress.

 

[Vagabond]

Quite off topic but does anyone know if this choir has learned all national anthems for this competition?

I am going out on a limb here, but I can't imagine that they learned the Moldovan national anthem just for this competition.

 

[Karen-W]

Yes, I'd guess they learned the national anthems for the potential winners in each discipline. So - Pairs - CAN, JPN, GER, ITA and maybe GEO; Women - JPN, USA, BEL, KOR and maybe SUI; Dance - USA, ITA, CAN and maybe GBR; Men - JPN, USA, FRA and maybe KOR. All in all, I'd bet they worked a fair amount on the national anthems for CAN, JPN, USA, ITA, GER, BEL, FRA and KOR since those are the countries that won the GPF, Euros & 4CCs this year and then familiarized themselves with GBR, GEO and SUI just to be on the safe side since those countries had a contender in at least one discipline.

 

[euterpe]

Or, I don't know, why don't these federations learn how to concentrate on more than one skater? I don't mean that literally because of course more than one skater gets funding and assignments. But it seems like a lot of these federations have their star that gets a lot of attention and a lot of the benefit of the doubt including in cases where giving the same to a different skater would be appropriate.

Then again, it's a bit of a chicken & egg situation. If the other skaters want that, maybe they should produce in competitions. OTOH, if they got that, maybe they would.

Skate Canada is very stingy when it comes to sending out their senior women to competitions. They send one or two and that's it.

This season, it was Maddie and Kaiya Ruiter, and Kaiya was then restricted to junior end-of-season championships. That meant Maddie was the one and only choice available for Worlds because she was the only one who had the TES minimums.

Kaiya was the only other skater given the chance to earn the TES minimums.

 

[Karen-W]

Skate Canada is very stingy when it comes to sending out their senior women to competitions. They send one or two and that's it.

This season, it was Maddie and Kaiya Ruiter, and Kaiya was then restricted to junior end-of-season championships. That meant Maddie was the one and only choice available for Worlds because she was the only one who had the TES minimums.

Kaiya was the only other skater given the chance to earn the TES minimums.

That isn't true. Dupuis and Miclette were both sent to 4CCs and had multiple chances to earn the TES mins. And several others were allowed to compete at Cranberry Cup to try and get the TES mins for both 4CCs and Worlds.

 

[million$momma]

That isn't true. Dupuis and Miclette were both sent to 4CCs and had multiple chances to earn the TES mins. And several others were allowed to compete at Cranberry Cup to try and get the TES mins for both 4CCs and Worlds.

I don't think the hopes and dreams of Canada are going to be answered by Ruiter. How old is Hetty Shi? She is older than Lin, correct?

 

[Karen-W]

I don't think the hopes and dreams of Canada are going to be answered by Ruiter. How old is Hetty Shi? She is older than Lin, correct?

No clue... You can check all their ISU bios for DOBs...

http://www.isuresults.com/bios/fsbioswomen.htm

 

[airgelaal]

I admire Nina, but this whole situation seems very dangerous to me. I'm afraid to imagine what could have happened if she, for example, lost consciousness

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJVZqAmagAA4AT3?format=jpg&name=large

 

[flyingsit]

Honestly, the world where we all agree that Kaori Sakamoto is the best skater in the world when she's on is the world I want to live in. I have no interest in ever revisiting the skating world pre-2022 worlds

I’d love to see post-2022 Sakamoto vs 2018 Osmond

 

[euterpe]

That isn't true. Dupuis and Miclette were both sent to 4CCs and had multiple chances to earn the TES mins. And several others were allowed to compete at Cranberry Cup to try and get the TES mins for both 4CCs and Worlds.

They were sent to 4CC because they had the 4CC minimums from the previous year's 4CC (and they were the only 2 who had the 4CC mins besides Maddie).

 

[Andrey aka Pushkin]

Absolutely abysmal event, as it goes. Kaori was magic, Isabeau was a distant if clear second; the rest was barely watchable. Loena should fire Sola and find a proper choreographer. I thought the worst of the bunch won the bronze in the end, but this is what you get for skating so poorly. Really have nothing to say about the rest. Glenn was surprisingly fun, especially in the sp. That's about it.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Absolutely abysmal event, as it goes. Kaori was magic, Isabeau was a distant if clear second; the rest was barely watchable. Loena should fire Sola and find a proper choreographer. I thought the worst of the bunch won the bronze in the end, but this is what you get for skating so poorly. Really have nothing to say about the rest. Glenn was surprisingly fun, especially in the sp. That's about it.

As I was reading your post, I was like oh gosh, what’s this person going to say about Amber Glenn and then you had something nice to say.

 

[Sylvia]

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[kwanfan1818]

I’d love to see Taljegard skate a Rohene Ward program.

 

[zacknewyork]

Can I just point out that the three-time world champion is built like a normal person and not like a skinny little tree.

And also does not need PEDs to win.