Papadakis CIzeron #4 - Happiness Does Not Wait

[millyskate]

I think Gabby is probably the strongest lift partner on the circuit and seeing other couples attempt the same style of lift just goes to highlight how effortless they manage to make them look. She has amazing core strength to hold almost impossible balance positions. There's a visible difference in the absence of jerkyness with the lifting, lowering end of the lift; I think the most telling are the facial expressions. Gabby and Guillaume, even in slomo, don't ever seem to break a sweat with their lifts and continue expressing the choreography in their faces and hands. And in slomo, the crazy balancing acts come to light as well.

That's not to say I don't think this year's FD doesn't include a couple of under-ambitious lifts. I do wish they'd push the envelope a little more but then the stationery lift is so amazingly well executed for this stage of the season that maybe all the work went on that.

 

[EYGH]

Millyskate :
That's not to say I don't think this year's FD doesn't include a couple of under-ambitious lifts. I do wish they'd push the envelope a little more but then the stationery lift is so amazingly well executed for this stage of the season that maybe all the work went on that.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you. Some of the lifts need work to be a bit more spectacular while staying in tune with the choregraphy which is gorgeous. But isn't it amazing that Gabi and Guillaume's mastery comes evident mostly in slow motion ? When they are at normal speed it's so fluid and beautiful one has difficulty to see the seperate elements. I'm finding they are the only ones for which it is so. With all the other ice dancers I've seen so far you can see right away what is going or not going on.

We need to watch P/C's whole program in slomo to get all the details and superb execution.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

I positively dislike V/M's FD crotch lift and I find there are too many useless acrobatics in many programs I otherwise like (C/B FD for example).

LOL, I noticed too.

 

[Anyasnake]

I think Gabby is probably the strongest lift partner on the circuit and seeing other couples attempt the same style of lift just goes to highlight how effortless they manage to make them look. She has amazing core strength to hold almost impossible balance positions. There's a visible difference in the absence of jerkyness with the lifting, lowering end of the lift; I think the most telling are the facial expressions. Gabby and Guillaume, even in slomo, don't ever seem to break a sweat with their lifts and continue expressing the choreography in their faces and hands. And in slomo, the crazy balancing acts come to light as well.

That's not to say I don't think this year's FD doesn't include a couple of under-ambitious lifts. I do wish they'd push the envelope a little more but then the stationery lift is so amazingly well executed for this stage of the season that maybe all the work went on that.

They often stated that they don't enjoy acrobatic lifts, and that Guillaume is actually more scared for Gaby than the opposite.
However Gabriella almost lost her career and her health on a dumb choctaw, so we won't see something too crazy with the lifts anytime soon I think
Actually light or not, you have lifts specialists working with you, because it's easy to tear a muscle by doing it wrong. So when a lift is correctly done, it's from both partner.

 

[cocotaffy]

... I think the most telling are the facial expressions. Gabby and Guillaume, even in slomo, don't ever seem to break a sweat with their lifts and continue expressing the choreography in their faces and hands. And in slomo, the crazy balancing acts come to light as well.

Exactly, this is very telling when comparing with other teams, the slo mo shots and the facial expressions. Every single slo mo or photos from their programs is a picture, their attention to details as I've said before is mind-blowing.

Here is a little clip made by one of the French Olympic team sponsor. Quite pretty and I particularly love the feeling to follow them on the ice. We get a better sense of their amazing edges. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyvRiFIBpBY

 

[Isabelle.G]

Exactly, this is very telling when comparing with other teams, the slo mo shots and the facial expressions. Every single slo mo or photos from their programs is a picture, their attention to details as I've said before is mind-blowing.

Here is a little clip made by one of the French Olympic team sponsor. Quite pretty and I particularly love the feeling to follow them on the ice. We get a better sense of their amazing edges. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyvRiFIBpBY

Oh, thank you! It's always great to see more videos like that. It's great they seem to be getting more recognition. That coffee add at the end, though.

 

[Miloune]

Oh, thank you! It's always great to see more videos like that. It's great they seem to be getting more recognition. That coffee add at the end, though.

Never say no to a little bit of cash hehee

 

[firstflight]

As Gabby pointed out on Instagram, China has really been a magical country for them to skate in: 1) First GP victory that launched them into their meteoric rise that season; 2) First world title; 3) First time to break the 200-pt total.

I bet going forward, there’s always going to be a special confidence whenever they compete in China.

 

[debo]

Hello, Beijing 2022!

 

[cocotaffy]

so this viral eurosport video just keep giving, it has now passed the 6 Million views And I thought initially it was French people watching this but many non French speakers in the comments section and this youtube video has also reached a whopping 185 000 views in 4 days. I'm thrilled they're getting the exposure. Even their SD is getting some attention, ok not always positive, but still gathering quite a lot of views and likes.

 

[maya1985]

Back in photos on the Finlandia trophy
http://www.insideskating.net/2017/11/09/events/2017-finlandia-trophy-the-blue-dance-the-blue-dream

 

[millyskate]

Thanks @maya1985 - that first one is really beautiful.

 

[Cherryblossomgal]

Absolutely! Comparing P&C's free dance to V&M's is like comparing the beauty of a Goddess to that of a stripper. No offence, but that's how tacky I thought V&M's free dance was compared to P&C's. Maybe it's just the music.



I agree. Gaby's dress is perfection (unlike Tessa's)

now you're sounding like the paid parody account. So disgusting of you to say this.

 

[cocotaffy]

So to lighten up the mood and to avoid this to be the last message on this thread, I just want to say Happy Birthday to Guillaume I hope him the best for this important year. I hope, he and Gaby will delight us for a long time with their great performances.

 

[GreenGan]

PM are available if you want to pick a fight with a particular P/C fan. Thanks

Happy Birthday to Guillaume ! (Thanks for the information @cocotaffy !)

 

[Laney]

so this viral eurosport video just keep giving, it has now passed the 6 Million views And I thought initially it was French people watching this but many non French speakers in the comments section and this youtube video has also reached a whopping 185 000 views in 4 days. I'm thrilled they're getting the exposure. Even their SD is getting some attention, ok not always positive, but still gathering quite a lot of views and likes.

The video has 15 Million views now!!!!

Oh, and a very happy birthday to Guillaume

 

[millyskate]

The video has 15 Million views now!!!!

Oh, and a very happy birthday to Guillaume

I notice I have facebook friends with absolutely no connection to figure skating who've liked that video.
It's been one of the reasons I've liked Gabby and Guillaume's skating so much, their programs are capable of standing as pieces of art and strike a chord with an audience much wider than the figure skating world. They're worth watching even for someone who has no interest in the sport whatsoever.

 

[ChelleC]

so this viral eurosport video just keep giving, it has now passed the 6 Million views And I thought initially it was French people watching this but many non French speakers in the comments section and this youtube video has also reached a whopping 185 000 views in 4 days. I'm thrilled they're getting the exposure. Even their SD is getting some attention, ok not always positive, but still gathering quite a lot of views and likes.

I shared that video on my facebook last week, and here's the comments from friends of mine who do not watch skating at all.

Comment 1: Wow that was beautiful and flawless
Comment 2: Mesmerizing to watch!

 

[Amantide]

Among all the boring programs in Danc this season, I think they have the best FD (haven't seen yet the SD) and they skated beautifully. BRAVO!

 

[GreenGan]

So if I understand well the discussion occuring in the Ice Dance Hall right now, P/C only got one level 3 and the rest in level 4 for their SD and their FD in Cup of China with a tough judge from the technical panel. Quite reassuring.

 

[cocotaffy]

So if I understand well the discussion occuring in the Ice Dance Hall right now, P/C only got one level 3 and the rest in level 4 for their SD and their FD in Cup of China with a tough judge from the technical panel. Quite reassuring.

Great minds .... I was just about to take this discussion here and ask to the most knowledgeable among us ( @Anyasnake maybe ) just how tough the CoC tech team composed of Slavka Grincova and Elek are ? They indeed seemed ruthless with B/S and C/B so it would bode very well for P/C.

 

[Anyasnake]

Great minds .... I was just about to take this discussion here and ask to the most knowledgeable among us ( @Anyasnake maybe ) just how tough the CoC tech team composed of Slavka Grincova and Elek are ? They indeed seemed ruthless with B/S and C/B so it would bode very well for P/C.

So nice you thought of me @cocotaffy I'll do my best ! There are still MANY things I don't know about how you make the difference about levels, however, mistakes cannot be left off. So for the SD :

C/B :
Pst level 3 : no visible mistake and well skated so that seems okay. Compare to P/C's level 4 : watch both Pst, there is quite the difference in execution of turns and P/C's a lot cleaner.
Rumba level 3, first keypoint with a N ("No") = one of the two didn't have a good enough chocktaw (I'd say by the look of it, Maddie could have had a better edge on the first one, but it's a bit picky for me).
No-touch level 2 : it seemed a bit flat on edges (good with music) so maybe not enough clean turns and probably a composition issue (didn't follow enough rules for maximum level, often a reason for a top team with level 2 without mistake)
PCS were quite nice though.

B/S :
No-touch level 2 : better turns and sharpness than C/B by the look of it, I find the level 2 harsh but they are stuff they see that I can't... check the TES box it was level 4 at first.
Rumba level 3 : same No. Katia's chocktaw wasn't pretty at all it's obvious if you watch it.
Pst3 : definitely not 4 because Katia's last twizzle was messier, picky panel might take that as a mistake.
Again, nice PCS.

Again for P/C No-touch level 3 : the line between 3 and 4 for me is very unclear so I don't know. It was pretty clean and if you want to reach level 4 pickyness you can say that Gaby's first twizzle could have been better (but being picky is fair : it is Ice Dance).
Rumba : very good (quite impress with their pattern actually), and the Pst for me (and I can say with confidence that I am not biased towards them for that) is probably one of the best if not the best on an edge quality and technical point of view. But they often show they are at ease with step sequences, but this is one of the cleanest I've seen them do.
(I actually like the fact that there is a 1.50 point room for improvement. Don't peak too soon.)

In the FD, levels weren't that tough (or not tough AT ALL, and so were PCS), it was quite well awarded for top 3. The GOEs made a big difference. However, I thought I would reverse levels at P/C's Cist3 which was much better executed than Dist4, but instead it got reflected on GOEs (only 2s not 3s for the Dist). But it might again be composition.

Another factor at why panel won't maybe give a full level 4 on the FDs yet : might want to wait for GPF or Olys for that massive score. Since the placement are pretty fair, that's okay with me (I actually prefer that : if you get everything level 4 now, you don't have that much room left for big points gap). For CoC, P/C have left 3 points just on levels for the whole competition, even with that score, so good sign on skating quality.

Conclusion : though Panel for SD (I guess being a top team you can't afford mistakes, especially on a pattern or you'll get hammered), but not so much on FDs, however FDs were much better executed.
Very sorry for the LONG post on a fan thread, I'll stop !

 

[maya1985]

Very sorry for the LONG post on a fan thread, I'll stop !

No need to apologize, you can continue as much as you want and thank you!

 

[cocotaffy]

So nice you thought of me @cocotaffy I'll do my best ! There are still MANY things I don't know about how you make the difference about levels, however, mistakes cannot be left off.
Conclusion : though Panel for SD (I guess being a top team you can't afford mistakes, especially on a pattern or you'll get hammered), but not so much on FDs.
Very sorry for the LONG post on a fan thread, I'll stop !

Thanks a lot, it was a very interesting post and never mind the length, I can't write in a concise manner and I don't talk about anything half interesting as what you've just done.
Now, I wonder why would the same panel be tough on the SD but relax on the FD ?

 

[Anyasnake]

Thanks a lot, it was a very interesting post and never mind the length, I can't write in a concise manner and I don't talk about anything half interesting as what you've just done.
Now, I wonder why would the same panel be tough on the SD but relax on the FD ?

Thank you so much !
I'd say first Latin SDs are hard, not easy to translate on the ice.
Also, this is the program made for technical requirements (Latin or not).I think they want to differenciate in the SD who can do what and this "tough" panel made the difference. Also, either your No-touch or your Pst is on the faster music (mandatory to have each on a different rythm) and that can be a lot trickier, you make mistake more easily. I'll add that some teams might be too even so you have to assess every details to differenciate.

The FDs are (normally) made to fit a skater's preference and there is a lot more freedom. It's not just P/C who does the FD much better than the SD it's actually pretty much everyone else. You choose everything : music, tempo, style, placement of steps... and since top 3 did a good job at CoC there is no reason not to reward them (Example : C/B steps in the FD were so much better than in the SD, so much more flow !).

 

[VGThuy]

Thanks a lot, it was a very interesting post and never mind the length, I can't write in a concise manner and I don't talk about anything half interesting as what you've just done.
Now, I wonder why would the same panel be tough on the SD but relax on the FD ?

Same thing happened at 2017 Worlds as well. The SD has three leveled step sequences and we know those are the most subjective elements when it comes to calls. Some panels are extra harsh and some have been accused of doing the judges’ job and trying to rank the teams in the SD but then allow the judges to make the decision in the FD.

 

[Anyasnake]

Same thing happened at 2017 Worlds as well. The SD has three leveled step sequences and we know those are the most subjective elements when it comes to calls. Some panels are extra harsh and some have been accused of doing the judges’ job and trying to rank the teams in the SD but then allow the judges to make the decision in the FD.

I agree. The Worlds 17 panel was tougher if you compare it with other competitions for sure... but they were indeed doing their jobs. We can agree or disagree but we certainly don't have their knowledge.

 

[VGThuy]

I think harsh is good, but in the Dance Hall thread weeks ago, we had a small discussion on whether some callers are being harsh as a way to not actually and accurately call a level for what it is and instead using subjective measures to give levels when that’s more the judges’ job to do when handing out GOEs. I think we also spoke about how GOE and PCS is sort of a mess right now and how there might be a lack of trust that certain callers have with the judges to do their jobs correctly and rather than hope the judges mark the GOE down they just mark the level down.

 

[cocotaffy]

I think we also spoke about how GOE and PCS is sort of a mess right now and how there might be a lack of trust that certain callers have with the judges to do their jobs correctly and rather than hope the judges mark the GOE down they just mark the level down.

The funny thing is some can be both on the tech panel or on the judges side according to the competition like with David Molina the past two weeks. I don't know if it is a regular occurrence but then the lack of trust sounds a bit strange as if they don't trust themselves. Anyway, won't the GOEs be expanded to +5 ? It might help.

 

[VGThuy]

The funny thing is some can be both on the tech panel or on the judges side according to the competition like with David Molina the past two weeks. I don't know if it is a regular occurrence but then the lack of trust sounds a bit strange as if they don't trust themselves. Anyway, won't the GOEs be expanded to +5 ? It might help.

I think it will at first and then 12 years from now we’ll be back to where we are now, .