Papadakis/Cizeron #5 - We're In Love With The Shape Of You

[Twilight1]

Why I like watching Eurosport (British)... most of the time they don't have a horse in the race so the commentary is pretty neutral imho.

As a Canadian, we have our fanatics... me being one back in 1998-2003

 

[EYGH]

I'm talking about ubers more than "normal" fans and I understand that all V/M ubers are not canadians.

I'm not bashing Canada but noting the double standard about the way V/M and the canadian judge are treated compared with P/C and the french judge or other teams and countries in TSL , on forums and social media.

I can't help but noting too that there is a disturbing amount of double standard, hypocrisy and self rightousness on the part of a number of Canadians in figure skating.

For me it is a disappointing discovery. I had no idea of that reality. I'm also surprised at the level of meaness and agressivity of so many people (discounting trolls) who are supposedly figure skating lovers.

 

[Isabelle.G]

But the narrative of Gaby is just mediocre whereas Guillaume is excellent has always been strong. Even haters don't seem to be able to find fault with his SS. I think the best way here is to show our support by showering her with positive messages about how wonderful their skating is. Let's drown those stupid comments. I had zero interest in Twitter up to reading those stupid tweets but for the occasion, I just created an account and answered to Gaby.

I'm pondering creating an account there too. And showing them that they also have fans who love them is a good strategy, imo.

Tumblr is starting to be full of a few insane fans too. Apparently, Gabi's sharing that article is really driving some people crazy. On the positive side of gender equality, they seem to criticize both G&G.

 

[Twilight1]

The double standard could be a fair point but I posted elsewhere that people usually have an issue when their faves politics didn't beat the rivals politics. I saw this in 2014. V&M ubers were pissy about them not winning against D&W because of politics.

Well sorry to say but V&M have won off of politics too. I am not so naive to say they didn't.

However if you look at this comp, the odds were actually stacked against V&M except for 2 judges. People fail to mention that Japan scored V&M even higher than Canada... but because Canada was on the panel, they get the slack because of V&M being from Canada.

The Canadian judge has been listed for how long as a judge in Canada but suddenly P&C don't win it is a conspiracy? Where was Didier before the Olympics? Why was their no outcry before?

Seems convenient it is an issue after.

Also worth noting how Spains dancers scored... and they had a Spanish judge on the panel. That is just surface purusal of the fd.

Tons wrong with judging but a holistic picture should be given. I wish someone would look at all the judges marks and compare... instead of conspiracy theory on one. Conspiracy theory on all.

 

[Anyasnake]

I'm pondering creating an account there too. And showing them that they also have fans who love them is a good strategy, imo.

Tumblr is starting to be full of a few insane fans too. Apparently, Gabi's sharing that article is really driving some people crazy. On the positive side of gender equality, they seem to criticize both G&G.

I never go on Tumblr thankfully, but I've seen a screenshot of a post there that they were being hammered for not liking compulsories and then the posters invented all sorts of things of course (un)related to that
Easy on twitter guys though, it can be a bit nasty.

 

[synian]

The Olympic Channel has uploaded all of the events to their website for free.
Enjoy!

videos from olympic channel are out here

 

[allezfred]

2010 changed us I think.

It didn't. You've always been that way.

 

[Twilight1]

It didn't. You've always been that way.

Oh it didn't change hard cores who have always been that way but average joe on the street it most certainly did. I have lived here my whole life and the change was drastic because of the internet and became even more pronounced with Own the Podium and 2010.

 

[Japanfan]

As far as the narrative of these OG were fixed in ice dance and we haven't seen this in a very long time, for one it is pretty rdiculous considering that the supposed victim party (always V/M) has won and secondly, talking of pre-judged competition, one has to remember last year's Worlds and the results of that competition to see some real recent kind of fixing.

I understand that sometimes passion overides reason but fairness is fairness. If you speak about fixing and debatable results you need to look at the whole picture and not be so partisan that you become blind. I personnaly understand and accept that some people critise the SD results for P/C but objectively both P/C and V/M have been favored by the judges.

I think P/C were 'supposed' to win these Olympics because they had the superior program in that it was more Olympic-worthy or would be seen as such. I don't think this is fixing per se, but just a perception or preference. Similarly, Zoueva gave V/M the winning free dance at the 2010 Olympics and D/W the winning one in 2014. I think she did that intentionally, understandably wanting each of her top teams to get an OG.

I don't know whether P/C would have scored higher without the costume malfunction - quite possibly - but even so, they were still very much in the running after the SD. The world record breaking monster score given to them in the free signaled that the judges were still envisioning or favoring them for the Gold medal. V/M had to skate with total perfection, commitment and conviction to have a chance, and that is exactly what they did.

Even so, the stars did line up for V/M at this Olympics. Ultimately, I think the skate order in the free contributed to the final outcome. I firmly believe that if P/C had skated last in the penultimate position, they would be the Olympic Champions, no matter how well V/M skated.

I am still in shock that V/M won, TBH, and amazed about the brilliance of how they delivered their ML. I never cared for that program all season and thought that they would look back on it in future and say 'what on earth were we thinking?'
But what a program! Oh my!

ETA: Sorry, I didn't realize that I was posting in a P/C uber thread. I'll delete my post if it offends anyone.

 

[EYGH]

One of the many reasons I don't watch their videos anymore. He might actually likes the fact that DG is still here because he can talk about it and exposing his "theory". P/C aren't really drama people, so you have to find something I guess. Otherwise you're left with... skating

He actually seems to be obsessed with Didier and even outside ice dance reporting he talks about Didier a lot. He has a secret crush or what ?

 

[EYGH]

I think Dave is genuinely a bigger fan of V/M, especially V. That's fair. Last year he joked that he used to be one of those obsessed shippers, but I think there's some truth to that.
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I'm perfectly fine with Dave being a V/M fan and preferring them to P/C.

What I'm not ok with is the fact that he actually has said close to nothing on P/C, their programs and actual skating this year. It was all about Didier's supposed shady manipulations, the French and Russians block voting, the fixing done of course by everybody except the Canadians. Very little about what's really relevant, the actual skating and the programs.

It is to the point I'm actually wondering about his obsession with Didier. But I do understand that he is a bit/a lot of a drama and gossip queen.

 

[cocotaffy]

The best exemple being this talk about V/M having the best rhumba pattern of the field quoting "being 10 times better than anyone else's" But all year long, P/C kept proving him wrong. They clearly were superior than any other team but they are still the weakest skaters technically and can't do compulsories. If I'm not mistaken the pattern is actually what's left of the Compulsories really drilling teams on their technical abilities. P/C have always nailed the pattern whichever the SD rhythm, their Paso pattern was wonderful, both languid and sharp (yet another cliche, they can't do sharp movements, please again rewatch their Paso). Even last season when they had consistent issues with their levels, they always nailed the pattern. I'm convinced if the CD were to be back, they'd kill it.
But this would actually require him to watch the feet of the skaters and not their outfit, make up or their Federation's president.
The only thing I agree on is them having hard time to nail the level on the non touching which they finally did with this SD. They showed great progress all year long in this type of step sequence, making it cleaner and cleaner at every outing. And I hope they'll keep working on it. But their SD this year was technically excellent, no snow, so sharp and precise again people need to watch the feet.

 

[laviemn]

I'm pondering creating an account there too. And showing them that they also have fans who love them is a good strategy, imo.

Tumblr is starting to be full of a few insane fans too. Apparently, Gabi's sharing that article is really driving some people crazy. On the positive side of gender equality, they seem to criticize both G&G.

OMG, criticizing Guillaume's skating is really a sign that you should back away slowly and give that person no more thought. And if there's one rational thing Dave Lease has ever said, it's that if a fan shows any sign of being a shipper, DO NOT ENGAGE.

 

[laviemn]

I think P/C were 'supposed' to win these Olympics because they had the superior program in that it was more Olympic-worthy or would be seen as such. I don't think this is fixing per se, but just a perception or preference. Similarly, Zoueva gave V/M the winning free dance at the 2010 Olympics and D/W the winning one in 2014. I think she did that intentionally, understandably wanting each of her top teams to get an OG.

I don't know whether P/C would have scored higher without the costume malfunction - quite possibly - but even so, they were still very much in the running after the SD. The world record breaking monster score given to them in the free signaled that the judges were still envisioning or favoring them for the Gold medal. V/M had to skate with total perfection, commitment and conviction to have a chance, and that is exactly what they did.

Even so, the stars did line up for V/M at this Olympics. Ultimately, I think the skate order in the free contributed to the final outcome. I firmly believe that if P/C had skated last in the penultimate position, they would be the Olympic Champions, no matter how well V/M skated.

I am still in shock that V/M won, TBH, and amazed about the brilliance of how they delivered their ML. I never cared for that program all season and thought that they would look back on it in future and say 'what on earth were we thinking?'
But what a program! Oh my!

ETA: Sorry, I didn't realize that I was posting in a P/C uber thread. I'll delete my post if it offends anyone.

Your post doesn't offend, but I'm curious how you even read the posts in this thread without clicking into what was obviously a fan thread if you read the title.

 

[Japanfan]

Your post doesn't offend, but I'm curious how you even read the posts in this thread without clicking into what was obviously a fan thread if you read the title.

I only zeroed in a few posts subsequent to the FD at the Olympics. The posts were about the FD and seemed fairly objective and fair to me in terms of analysis - not over-the-top ubering of P/C. So, I thought the FD results were being discussed. And was not totally wrong about that - thread drift happens.

 

[laviemn]

Anyway, I'm personally done with talking about V/M ever again and especially in this thread.

It's turned out to be easy for me to move on from what happened at the Olympics, I think because it wasn't the end for Gabriella and Guillaume. It was probably just the midpoint, possibly earlier if they skate beyond 2022. That they have been able to achieve that amazing quality of skating with so much time left to achieve even better is thrilling to me. And I'm so enthusiastic about the future.

 

[Anyasnake]

That they have been able to achieve that amazing quality of skating with so much time left to achieve even better is thrilling to me. And I'm so enthusiastic about the future.

Count me in for being enthusiastic ! The future is bright... and worlds are coming ! Milano is very very close to France, and of course Ice Dance is the last event - because you have to keep the best for last, Europe doing it well. I can't wait
And the best of the best... my timezone.

 

[cocotaffy]

I expect quite a bit of French people in the audience Milan being close. I'm hoping for a packed arena and a great atmosphere and for all the skaters to end the season on a high note giving their best performances.
BTW who is going to Milan ?

 

[Isabelle.G]

Anyway, I'm personally done with talking about V/M ever again and especially in this thread.

It's turned out to be easy for me to move on from what happened at the Olympics, I think because it wasn't the end for Gabriella and Guillaume. It was probably just the midpoint, possibly earlier if they skate beyond 2022. That they have been able to achieve that amazing quality of skating with so much time left to achieve even better is thrilling to me. And I'm so enthusiastic about the future.

Absolutely agree. The Olympics happened and it isn't the end of the world. It's true I can't force myself to watch their performances there, esp. the sd, it's still too painful. But much worse things happen every day.

I'm so happy they skated in Dancing on Ice last weekend. Apart from other benefits, I've got something to watch for dozens of times before the Worlds take place.

 

[sap5]

IMO, PC are at the very beginning of their careers. They still have so much to explore, and so much room for growth. I'm excited to see what comes next.

 

[BlueOrange]

Gabriella having a good laugh as the journalist spoke about the cultural closing (cérémonie de culture) instead of closing ceremony (cérémonie de clôture) and replying "we have learned of lot"
http://www.instagram.com/p/Bf_7q7zlZ3-/?taken-by=gabriellapapadakis

 

[laviemn]

Absolutely agree. The Olympics happened and it isn't the end of the world. It's true I can't force myself to watch their performances there, esp. the sd, it's still too painful. But much worse things happen every day.

I'm so happy they skated in Dancing on Ice last weekend. Apart from other benefits, I've got something to watch for dozens of times before the Worlds take place.

I usually re-watch their performances a lot right after a competition, but that SD was too much and I needed some time . I finally watched it again the other day because the videos on the NBC Sports app were starting to disappear, and what I mostly took away from it was how well they actually skated aside from Gabi's twizzles. They were right when they said they could be proud of that performance.

There's no angst at all for me in re-watching the FD. From the opening movement to the outpouring of love between them at the end, it's all gorgeous and exhilarating.

 

[Japanfan]

The best exemple being this talk about V/M having the best rhumba pattern of the field quoting "being 10 times better than anyone else's" But all year long, P/C kept proving him wrong. They clearly were superior than any other team but they are still the weakest skaters technically and can't do compulsories.

Can you explain this further? What does 'weakest' refer to - 'weakest' in the field, or 'weaker' than P/C?

Also, saying they are superior but the weakest seems to be a contradiction.

 

[cocotaffy]

Can you explain this further? What does 'weakest' refer to - 'weakest' in the field, or 'weaker' than P/C?

Also, saying they are superior but the weakest seems to be a contradiction.

I need to apologize for my poor use of english grammar here. I often make lots of mistakes which I try to edit out whenever I spot it. I meant the weaker especially in comparison with V/M as we were talking about David Lease commentaries on TSL all year long. So I meant protocols proved time and time again this year P/C have clearly skated an excellent pattern, the best of the field IMO, and yet they were, according to Lease, the weaker skater in that area. Hope makes more sense.

 

[EYGH]

I usually re-watch their performances a lot right after a competition, but that SD was too much and I needed some time . I finally watched it again the other day because the videos on the NBC Sports app were starting to disappear, and what I mostly took away from it was how well they actually skated aside from Gabi's twizzles. They were right when they said they could be proud of that performance.

There's no angst at all for me in re-watching the FD. From the opening movement to the outpouring of love between them at the end, it's all gorgeous and exhilarating.

You are so right. I have re-watched their OG SD several times and what comes out is how well they actually skated despite the dress menacing to drop down. If you look just at the lower part of their bodies you can't tell there is a problem (except for that twizzle) and if you look at the upper part you feel a certain discomfort at times but it is not obvious at all. They would have killed it without the costume malfunction.

They truely were wonderful considering what they were facing. They are great skaters and performers. They are champions.

 

[EYGH]

I need to apologize for my poor use of english grammar here. I often make lots of mistakes which I try to edit out whenever I spot it. I meant the weaker especially in comparison with V/M as we were talking about David Lease commentaries on TSL all year long. So I meant protocols proved time and time again this year P/C have clearly skated an excellent pattern, the best of the field IMO, and yet they were, according to Lease, the weaker skater in that area. Hope makes more sense.

Don't apologize. You are doing great. I have the same problem with expressing myself in English. It takes me forever to express myself the most clear and correct way possible. When things are going fast on the forum and I want to keep up I make mistakes.

 

[Japanfan]

I'm talking about ubers more than "normal" fans and I understand that all V/M ubers are not canadians.

I'm not bashing Canada but noting the double standard about the way V/M and the canadian judge are treated compared with P/C and the french judge or other teams and countries in TSL , on forums and social media.

TSL is not Canadian. And yes, you are indirectly bashing Canada.

I'll add that I don't recall reading any posts on this forum bashing P/C. I certainly haven't bashed them in any of my posts on the dance competition.

There are a lot of P/C fans on FSU, and some of them are even Canadian. P/C are very much a very respected team in general.

I can't help but noting too that there is a disturbing amount of double standard, hypocrisy and self rightousness on the part of a number of Canadians in figure skating.

As Brian Boitano said (IIRC): Blame Canada!

For me it is a disappointing discovery. I had no idea of that reality. I'm also surprised at the level of meaness and agressivity of so many people (discounting trolls) who are supposedly figure skating lovers.

Could you provide some examples of that meanness and aggression please? I'm particularly interested in any you can find on the board.

 

[MsZem]

I'll add that I don't recall reading any posts on this forum bashing P/C.

Did you write that with a straight face?

And no, I'm not going to continue the endless discussion on this topic. Moving right along... I had a long list of ice-dance related matters, but then I realized we're in the P/C thread, so why bother? I guess I got confused by the commentary on how V/M and their fans are being oppressed.

I'll take that other post elsewhere.

 

[maya1985]

I'll add that I don't recall reading any posts on this forum bashing P/C.

Thank you for making me laugh It was the joke of the day

 

[thvu]

I'll add that I don't recall reading any posts on this forum bashing P/C. I certainly haven't bashed them in any of my posts on the dance competition.

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