Plushenko's Son

[Japanfan]

I don't know much of anything about children so have no idea on whether a five-old could make a joke about his parents beating him/her or locking him/her up.

But even without that, this child is being paraded around like a prize pony and it gives me the creeps. Add to that being entirely spoiled with material wealth. He's going to grow up with an awfully inflated sense of his own importance and entitlement, and is most like going to be a very screwed up individual.

 

[Twilight1]

I don't know much of anything about children so have no idea on whether a five-old could make a joke about his parents beating him/her or locking him/her up.

But even without that, this child is being paraded around like a prize pony and it gives me the creeps. He's going to grow up with an awfully inflated sense of his own importance and most like going to be a very screwed up individual.

I.e. Personality disorder.

ITA with you on all of the above

 

[Tinami Amori]

If it is possible to shake your head "off", I will be sure get the message to you somehow.

not according to Bulgakov..... so don't shake your head too hard..https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fdkC-Q_ajpA/hqdefault.jpg

 

[Twilight1]

not according to Bulgakov..... so don't shake your head too hard..https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fdkC-Q_ajpA/hqdefault.jpg

I have a lot to do in this life yet... please don't put your life on hold waiting.

 

[Vagabond]

I had a dream, a dream about you, baby.
It's gonna come true, baby.
They think that we're through, but baby,

You'll be swell! You'll be great!
Gonna have the whole world on a plate!
Starting here, starting now,
Honey, everything's coming up roses!

Fill the seats! Clear the ice!
You've got nothing to do but be nice.
Blow a kiss. Take a bow.
Honey, everything's coming up roses!

Now's your inning. Stand the world on its toes!
Try some spinning! That'll be just the beginning!
Curtain up! Light the lights!
You got nothing to hit but the heights!
You'll be swell. You'll be great.
I can tell. Just you wait.
That lucky star I talk about is due!
Honey, everything's coming up roses for me and for you!

You can do it, all you need is a hand.
We can do it, Yana is gonna see to it!
Curtain up! Light the lights!
We got nothing to hit but the heights!
I can tell, wait and see.
There's the bell! Follow me!
And nothing's gonna stop us till we're through!
Honey, everything's coming up noses and titanium!
Everything's coming up sunshine and Father Frost!
Everything's gonna be bright lights and platinum!
Everything's coming up roses for me and for you!​

 

[Willowway]

I had a dream, a dream about you, baby.
It's gonna come true, baby.
They think that we're through, but baby,

You'll be swell! You'll be great!
Gonna have the whole world on a plate!
Starting here, starting now,
Honey, everything's coming up roses!

Fill the seats! Clear the ice!
You've got nothing to do but be nice.
Blow a kiss. Take a bow.
Honey, everything's coming up roses!

Now's your inning. Stand the world on its toes!
Try some spinning! That'll be just the beginning!
Curtain up! Light the lights!
You got nothing to hit but the heights!
You'll be swell. You'll be great.
I can tell. Just you wait.
That lucky star I talk about is due!
Honey, everything's coming up roses for me and for you!

You can do it, all you need is a hand.
We can do it, Yana is gonna see to it!
Curtain up! Light the lights!
We got nothing to hit but the heights!
I can tell, wait and see.
There's the bell! Follow me!
And nothing's gonna stop us till we're through!
Honey, everything's coming up noses and titanium!
Everything's coming up sunshine and Father Frost!
Everything's gonna be bright lights and platinum!
Everything's coming up roses for me and for you!​

I don't know if most folks here know who Mama Rose (from the Broadway show "Gypsy") is - a fictional character who personifies the uber stage-mother. She is an icon though not a positive one of the American musical theater - a magnificent monster.

 

[Vagabond]

Rose wasn't altogether fictional. The character was based on Rose Thompson Hovick, the mother of June Havoc and Gypsy Rose Lee, as described in Lee's memoir.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Thompson_Hovick
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsy_Rose_Lee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Havoc

 

[oleada]

Beating a 5 year old child with a belt and locking him in a dark room is abusive.

Involving your child in acting/modeling; creating social media accounts in their name and giving them similar haircuts and dressing them in styles like your own is not abuse, even if it’s not to some poeple’s taste. If it were, then many, if not most, parents would be abusive. Let’s make that clear.

 

[moebius]

Not disciplining your kid is just as bad as abusing your kid. I can't stand parents who treat their child like adults by reasoning with them. Most of those kids end up being out of control.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I have a lot to do in this life yet... please don't put your life on hold waiting.

you'll get all these things done faster if you spend less attention on fake gossips.

 

[Twilight1]

you'll get all these things done faster if you spend less attention on fake gossips.

I made a 2 batch wine run. Cleaned my house. Bought items for my new travel trailer. Watched a movie. Hung out with my father in law. Helped my son with his homework and was exposed to my husband's humour with the show Letterkenny today.

I think I had a great off work day and don't need suggestions on what I should do on the internet.

But thanks anyway!!

 

[Tinami Amori]

I made a 2 batch wine run. Cleaned my house. Bought items for my new travel trailer. Watched a movie. Hung out with my father in law. Helped my son with his homework and was exposed to my husband's humour with the show Letterkenny today.

I think I had a great off work day and don't need suggestions on what I should do on the internet.

But thanks anyway!!

gosh forbid anyone asking about your love life, one may get a detailed recap of your bedroom activities..

 

[Twilight1]

gosh forbid anyone asking about your love life, one may get a detailed recap of your bedroom activities..

Some random things I share... my sex life is my own.

 

[Anita18]

Not disciplining your kid is just as bad as abusing your kid. I can't stand parents who treat their child like adults by reasoning with them. Most of those kids end up being out of control.

Reasoning with a toddler isn't nearly the same as continually to bail them out at the first sign of trouble though. A toddler throwing tantrums is quite different from a grown adult who's never faced real consequences.

I expect that the details that the Daily Fail purport stretch the truth, but generally, I think it's squicky when parents parade their toddlers around. (And yes, I will say the same thing for child models and actors too. Very few of them make it out mentally intact.) Let kids be kids and figure themselves out.

I find it refreshing that (yes I'm going there, YOLO!) Yagudin and Totmianina haven't pushed their daughters into skating. After all, they have homozygous gold medal genes!

 

[lala]

Reasoning with a toddler isn't nearly the same as continually to bail them out at the first sign of trouble though. A toddler throwing tantrums is quite different from a grown adult who's never faced real consequences.

I expect that the details that the Daily Fail purport stretch the truth, but generally, I think it's squicky when parents parade their toddlers around. (And yes, I will say the same thing for child models and actors too. Very few of them make it out mentally intact.) Let kids be kids and figure themselves out.

I find it refreshing that (yes I'm going there, YOLO!) Yagudin and Totmianina haven't pushed their daughters into skating. After all, they have homologous gold medal genes!

Plushenko didn't want to make skaters from Sasha. Sasha chose it. He was on ice and he liked it so much. He does't want to leave the ice. Sasha's coach isn't Plushenko. Yes, Plushenko watch Sasha work with his coach and at evening he beat him if he think Sasha didn't work well or enough...OMG!

 

[Holy Headband]

Not disciplining your kid is just as bad as abusing your kid. I can't stand parents who treat their child like adults by reasoning with them. Most of those kids end up being out of control.

Weird, I have observed the exact opposite

Also yikes @ this whole thread.

 

[lala]

This is Sasha's coach. Do you think he is involved in Sasha's abusing?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bf1XpicllKN/?taken-by=amir_habi Probably if Sasha does not work well told it Yana, and Plushy brings the belt...

 

[jenniferlyon]

I already suspected something like this considering how desperately she is dragging the little one into the spotlight. Does a 5-year-old really need his own instagram account and very expensive clothes from modelling jobs? Or modelling jobs at all?
Does he really need to publish his training progress?
Is ist possible a 5-year-old actually WANTS to do product placement?

Rudkovskaya is exploiting her little son so obviously it has always made me feel uncomfortable. And now this...

We all know what happens to a lot of kids who are being dragged into such a life from an early age...(see Hollywood's child stars or singers).

Most of Hollywood's child stars came from families who didn't have much. In some cases, the parent(s) tried to make it in showbiz, but it was Junior who became a star. It's very rare to see a child from such a wealthy, privileged background shoved into the spotlight like this. I'm guessing the adults are doing this to feed their egos. Poor little boy!

 

[Meoima]

Most of Hollywood's child stars came from families who didn't have much. In some cases, the parent(s) tried to make it in showbiz, but it was Junior who became a star. It's very rare to see a child from such a wealthy, privileged background shoved into the spotlight like this. I'm guessing the adults are doing this to feed their egos. Poor little boy!

Many of Hollywood's current stars came from families in which parents were stars...

 

[lala]

Many of Hollywood's current stars came from families in which parents were stars...

And they have a very hard childhood. No one cares about them, drogs alcohol, etc.
Plushenko is incredible wealthy. Plushenko said he doesn't want to see Sasha as a golden boy in upper class. As I said the elder sons are educated, they grew up nicely. I'm sure if they would have problem, if they would have been beaten by their parents they can move easily to their real father in last two years..Baturin is satisfied with their rising..Oops, maybe he also beat their sons!!!!
I really don't understand why the people think the worst immediately. How can anybody thinks they beat the little Sasha if he doesn't work well on the training????????? Maybe the media wanted to make scandal??

 

[lala]

Why would you make such a statement even in jest...,

Why? Who beats his 5 years old son he can do that, too. Only one step...That person has no soul. I hardly believe he can separate his life's into two parts and he is a nice person who adores the children the animals and after he beats with belt his 5 y.o. son because he didn't train hard as he waited. Ridiculous!

 

[Japanfan]

Beating a 5 year old child with a belt and locking him in a dark room is abusive.

Involving your child in acting/modeling; creating social media accounts in their name and giving them similar haircuts and dressing them in styles like your own is not abuse, even if it’s not to some poeple’s taste. If it were, then many, if not most, parents would be abusive. Let’s make that clear.

From what Tinami posted above, it appears there is no concrete evidence that Plush and Yana did beat Sasha with a belt and leave him in a dark room.

However, I do think that the promotion of a child as a celebrity can become abusive, especially given that it does not require the child's consent.

I can imagine this boy lamenting years later that he was "denied a proper childhood" and am sure that other adults who were child celebrities have done the same.

Being a celebrity can seriously mess with a child's developing brain.

 

[Vagabond]

From what Tinami posted above, it appears there is no concrete evidence that Plush and Yana did beat Sasha with a belt and leave him in a dark room.

What Tinami posted:

Sometime ago Yana was giving journalists an interview (standard celebrity interview that many casual magazines like to take and publish). She brought her son with her and a journalist asked a question about how do you punish your kids when they misbehave. Yana said "you can ask my son, he is right here".

The son was showing off and said "they lock me up in a dark trunk, and whip my butt with a belt". Yana corrected him and said "besides withholding toys at times, we sometimes give him time out in his room (if he is frantic then maybe with lights out for few minutes). We do not whip him with a belt, but yes we showed him a belt few times as a warning. once by accident Evgeniy was imitating a belt whip,and the end of it slapped son's butt, but it was not an intentional hit.

It seems clear that the boy did say that his parents lock him up in somewhere dark trunk and whip his butt with a belt and that Plushenko did -- accidentally or not -- whip his son. Was he telling the truth?

If the boy was "showing off," how does Tinami know this? Because she saw a video of it or because she read it somewhere. If she read it somewhere, as it appears, then all we have is one reporter's account of what the boy said and the mother's version, filtered through other reporters and Tinami, who does not strike me as very good at understanding the way other people shade what they say with feelings and justifications. I am also deeply suspicious of people who claim that signs of physical abuse were from an accident (e.g., "No one hit me. I got that black eye from walking into a door." or "I didn't hit him; it was just a little shove.") because they are often attempts to hide the truth.

Regardless, the appropriate child welfare officials should be heeding the calls for an investigation.

 

[UGG]

A 5 year old would and could not make up “being whipped and thrown in a closet” unless they were exposed to it somehow. Children that young are still learning from their environment. My 7 year old just started taking the bus to school this year with kids up to 6th grade and unfortunately he is saying bad words now when he is angry, which I am sure he is hearing on the bus, as I have no idea where else he would come up with the idea to be “funny” and call me a c*** f***. He had no idea what he was saying and thought it was a joke.

 

[cholla]

Considering Tinami is originally from Russia, I trust her to know how information (or hoaxes) are treated by media there. Especially when it has been corroborated by many people and other media along the years. That's just my opinion of course. Tinami's bluntness can often rub feathers, including mine, but that doesn't mean nothing she says can be trusted. Again, JMO.

 

[Vagabond]

Considering Tinami is originally from Russia, I trust her to know how information (or hoaxes) are treated by media there. Especially when it has been corroborated by many people and other media along the years. That's just my opinion of course. Tinami's bluntness can often rub feathers, including mine, but that doesn't mean nothing she says can be trusted. Again, JMO.

There is a difference between trustworthiness as to facts and trustworthiness as to interpretation.

 

[cholla]

There is a difference between trustworthiness as to facts and trustworthiness as to interpretation.

True. How do we know that the Plushenkos beating up their son is facts ? That's my main concern.

 

[WildRose]

My youngest son broke his arm when he was around 6 years old. He was horsing around with his Dad at the time, having a great time, and it was an accident. I saw it happen, my late husband felt awful about it, but it wasn’t his fault. My son had to wear a cast, so of course everyone asked him what happened, and he’d answer “my Dad broke my arm” because the reaction would always be a look of horror, which my son thought was absolutely hilarious. To this day we still joke about it. Kids say embarrassing stuff all the time, doesn’t mean you should always think the worst.

 

[UGG]

But his dad really did break his arm, according to you. Your son just did not include that it was an accident. How can whipping and being thrown in a closet be an accident?

 

[Justlooking]

But his dad really did break his arm, according to you. Your son just did not include that it was an accident. How can whipping and being thrown in a closet be an accident?

I loved to stay in closets when I was a child, specially when I was angry.
So maybe the parents just said "Just stay there if you don't want to go out and eat your plate" or whatever.

Whipping was maybe only done once, like they told.

I have more of a problem of the son working in the Nutcracker. Maybe he loves to skate, and loves to be with his father, but the thing is when he'll have an off day or when he doesn't love it anymore, will he able to tell his parents?