2024-25 USFS International Assignments

[Theatregirl1122]

Wow. And they split the Worlds/4CCs assignments -

GreenP to Worlds, ZingKol to 4CCs.

I hate that. I feel like they only do this when a non-favored team earns the world spot.

 

[Wyliefan]

Was not expecting that they'd select the Mullens over the Peals in junior world, but congrats to the Mullens!

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Oh gosh. I love the Mullens, but that's heartbreaking for the Peals.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Wow. And they split the Worlds/4CCs assignments -

GreenP to Worlds, ZingKol to 4CCs.

That’s cool,

 

[farahfan]

I hate that. I feel like they only do this when a non-favored team earns the world spot.

are you sure? they got identical scores in the RD and one barely edged the other in the FD. it's more like the judges saying "you guys are tied: keep fighting for that third spot". we need this in the boring world of "wait your turn" ice dance.

 

[kwanfan1818]

4C's is a good paycheck for Chock/Bates, but they can't earn a single WS point by going, because they'd need to drop one score of 840, which is the number of points for a win.

Carreira/Ponomarenko would be a projected 4th at 4C's, after C/B, G/P, L/L, but, in the best realistic case (3rd), they likely would earn 184-252 points. I don't see how they would be knocked out of the penultimate group in any case.

Green/Parsons start in 12th in WS (dropping Fournier-Beaudry/Sorensen), and they'd likely end up in 5th at 4C's, earning a 55 incremental points (or 116 for 4th). They shouldn't be knocked out of the third-to-last group by enough skaters below them based on incremental Euros points, and, they're 186 points behind the Taschlers, even if the Taschlers don't earn a point from Euros, and they couldn't move up a group. (The Taschlers would need 7th or higher at Euros to earn incremental points.)

Zingas/Kolesnik have a free championship slot and will keep every WS point they earn. 4C's does give another chance to compete, and either team is unlikely to make enough prize money to break even after coaches' expenses, given the current field, but the points won't do G/P much good, and they will mean everything for Z/K.

 

[Private Citizen]

Was not expecting that they'd select the Mullens over the Peals in junior world, but congrats to the Mullens!

What do people think is the explanation here? The Peals went to Junior Worlds last year and finished fifth. They qualified for the JGPF, although they finished last. They beat the Mullens at Nationals, though not in the free dance. They also beat the Mullens at last year's Nationals.

I guess the selection committee believes the Mullens would have beaten the Peals if not for their mistake in the OD? And/or maybe that the Peals had a slightly easier JGP line-up? And/or spreading the wealth - the Peals went last year and are unlikely to do better this year, so give the Mullens a shot? And/or spread the world standings points around?

I like the Mullens better, but not sure I agree with this decision. There's not a clear case to override the Nationals results that doesn't involve rampant speculation.

are you sure? they got identical scores in the RD and one barely edged the other in the FD. it's more like the judges saying "you guys are tied: keep fighting for that third spot". we need this in the boring world of "wait your turn" ice dance.

I agree with you. I didn't have a bad reaction to this one and think it makes sense, given the closeness of the competition, the evenness of the entire season, and World standing points.

 

[her grace]

What do people think is the explanation here? The Peals went to Junior Worlds last year and finished fifth. They qualified for the JGPF, although they finished last. They beat the Mullens at Nationals, though not in the free dance. They also beat the Mullens at last year's Nationals.

I guess the selection committee believes the Mullens would have beaten the Peals if not for their mistake in the OD? And/or maybe that the Peals had a slightly easier JGP line-up? And/or spreading the wealth - the Peals went last year and are unlikely to do better this year, so give the Mullens a shot? And/or spread the world standings points around?

I like the Mullens better, but not sure I agree with this decision. There's not a clear case to override the Nationals results that doesn't involve rampant speculation.

It seems very political. I think the Mulliens are better skaters, but the Peals are undoubtedly great competitors. I don’t know how you compare their bodies of work and say the Mullens come out on top unless you’re using fuzzy, unquantifiable concepts like potential or who has the better coach, etc.

 

[Karen-W]

Confirmation on the USFS International Assignments page - Glenn has WD from 4CCs, replaced by Bradie.

2024-25 International Assignments and Results

2024-25 International Assignments and Results

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Definitely think this is the right choice for Amber. She needs to get herself fully healed so that she can go into Boston ready for battle.

 

[Jammers]

Definitely think this is the right choice for Amber. She needs to get herself fully healed so that she can go into Boston ready for battle.

I always wondered how Gracie would have done if she had turned down going to 4CC a couple of times. It never worked out for her she always skated bad and never won a medal which is insane considering her talent and she usually had momentum after Nationals.

 

[Aceon6]

Amber doesn’t need more points, so her decision makes sense. There’s nothing on the line at 4CCs and the US should send folks who can benefit.

 

[jlai]

what happened to the jr world selection camp thing they did for couple of years?

 

[marshallpond]

What do people think is the explanation here? The Peals went to Junior Worlds last year and finished fifth. They qualified for the JGPF, although they finished last. They beat the Mullens at Nationals, though not in the free dance. They also beat the Mullens at last year's Nationals.

Has anyone done the calculations based on the weights of the factors identified here https://www.usfigureskating.org/sit...25 World Junior Team Selection Procedures.pdf

 

[Karen-W]

Has anyone done the calculations based on the weights of the factors identified here https://www.usfigureskating.org/sites/default/files/media-files/2025 World Junior Team Selection Procedures.pdf

Yes, I posted the full table in the US Ice Dance thread. The Mullens had the 5th highest point total of the junior-eligible teams.

Peals JGP average - 156.53
Mullens JGP average - 158.79

The one thing that really jumps out at me is the Peals 143.08 at the JGPF. That's considerably lower than how they performed at their JGPs. I'm thinking that between that, being beat by the Mullens in the FD (in which the Mullens had mistakes) as well as the Mullens higher JGP average perhaps tilted the scale in the Mullens favor.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

Definitely think this is the right choice for Amber. She needs to get herself fully healed so that she can go into Boston ready for battle.

I was kind of expecting this. When she initially said yes to 4CC, she wouldn’t have known how she might feel this weekend.

 

[Karen-W]

Holy... Damn... Pairs assignments are out - https://www.usfigureskating.org/new...s-world-world-junior-and-four-continents-team

2025 World Championships
Alisa Efimova and Misha Mitrofanov
Ellie Kam and Danny O'Shea

Alternate 1: Katie McBeath and Daniil Parkman*
Alternate 2: Emily Chan and Spencer Howe
Alternate 3: Audrey Shin and Balazs Nagy

2025 World Junior Championships
Olivia Flores and Luke Wang
Reagan Moss and Jakub Galbavy
Naomi Williams and Lachlan Lewer

Alternate 1: Saya Carpenter and Jon Maravilla
Alternate 2: Addyson McDanold and Aaron Felberbaum
Alternate 3: Elizabeth Hansen and William Church

2025 Four Continents Championships
Alisa Efimova and Misha Mitrofanov
Ellie Kam and Danny O’Shea
Audrey Shin and Balazs Nagy

Alternate 1: Emily Chan and Spencer Howe
Alternate 2: Katie McBeath and Daniil Parkman*
Alternate 3: Nica Digerness and Mark Sadusky

*Katie McBeath and Daniil Parkman have been assigned to Road to 26 Trophy (OWG Test Event) from February 19-20, 2025.

 

[Rukia]

citizenship is winning out on this day methinks

 

[PRlady]

Wait. Shin/Nagy got 4Cs over Chan/Howe?

 

[Debbie S]

So Spencer is still injured?

 

[Rukia]

Wait. Shin/Nagy got 4Cs over Chan/Howe?

idk it makes sense to me. They are lacking in big comps and world standing, they are on the upswing, they are both citizens

 

[PRlady]

idk it makes sense to me. They are lacking in big comps and world standing, they are on the upswing, they are both citizens

All true. But Chan/Howe did beat them and they’re both citizens. I don’t know what that alternate comp is that McB/Parkman got but if they’re happy I’m happy.

 

[haribobo]

As it should be, Shin/Nagy over Chan/Howe. Both Kam/O'Shea and Chan/Howe look like they need to take some time to figure out what is going on and if its fixable...meanwhile Shin/Nagy are new and could really use the experience.

 

[Rukia]

All true. But Chan/Howe did beat them and they’re both citizens. I don’t know what that alternate comp is that McB/Parkman got but if they’re happy I’m happy.

the other one is the olympic test event (which we haven't heard about any assignments from women or dance so I find this interesting)

 

[Karen-W]

Wait. Shin/Nagy got 4Cs over Chan/Howe?

So Spencer is still injured?

idk it makes sense to me. They are lacking in big comps and world standing, they are on the upswing, they are both citizens

I think it's possible that Spencer has some sort of injury still - he looked really rough on their second lift last night and it made me wonder.

But, looking at the SB Top 24 - ShiNagy are sitting at 23 with a handful of teams that could bump them down - VaanCler, DesThra, Les Kovs, FlorWang, WilLew (plus AKLL and KempEliz haven't competed internationally yet). ChanHowe are 18 & McBPark are 20, so they're pretty solidly in the SB Top 24 and not likely to be bumped, IMO. Sending ShiNagy to 4CCs gives them a chance to improve their SB and guarantee at least 1 GP next season.

 

[Firedancer]

Definitely don’t get Shin/Nagy getting 4CC over Chan/Howe

 

[Spiralgraph]

wow I didn't expect that for 4CC. I do agree with those who say it might be continuing injury/illness with C/H. What other explanation could it be to skip over M/P?

 

[Karen-W]

As it should be, Shin/Nagy over Chan/Howe. Both Kam/O'Shea and Chan/Howe look like they need to take some time to figure out what is going on and if its fixable...meanwhile Shin/Nagy are new and could really use the experience.

By this logic then KamOShea should have been benched for 4CCs, yet they're going. ChanHowe's scores both during the fall and here this week have been both consistently higher than and beaten ShiNagy.

This has Drew Meekins' pull with USFS written all over it.

 

[farahfan]

wow I didn't expect that for 4CC. I do agree with those who say it might be continuing injury/illness with C/H. What other explanation could it be to skip over M/P?

Parkman’s citizenship is a big question mark. I don’t recall the pair ever saying they’re aiming for the 2026 Olympics. Better get ShiNagy in good shape…

 

[Karen-W]

the other one is the olympic test event (which we haven't heard about any assignments from women or dance so I find this interesting)

I'm guessing we aren't sending any women or dance teams to it (the entries for the OWG test event were limited, so maybe there were compromises made - like every country had 1 entry confirmed in at least one discipline before they were given an entry in a different discipline). I've been hoping, since Ilia will be in Switzerland for Art On Ice early next month, that maybe he & his team were considering this as a good competition opportunity.

 

[Spiralgraph]

By this logic then KamOShea should have been benched for 4CCs, yet they're going. ChanHowe's scores both during the fall and here this week have been both consistently higher than and beaten ShiNagy.

This has Drew Meekins' pull with USFS written all over it.

Drew Meekins has that kind of pull with the federation? I'm unsure about that.. I'd believe Bruno Marcotte had more pull even if he is Canadian. No offense to Drew but he hasn't coached a senior world championship team to my knowledge.

 

[Karen-W]

Parkman’s citizenship is a big question mark. I don’t recall the pair ever saying they’re aiming for the 2026 Olympics. Better get ShiNagy in good shape…

McBPark are going to the OWG test event. I find it REALLY interesting that they're being sent to this over KamOShea (or ShiNagy), to be honest. Why would we send a pairs team to the OWG test event that isn't even going to be in the mix for the Olympics spots? Or, perhaps they are in the mix after all...