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"Harley & Katya" documentary
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Wyliefan
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Well, that will surely help him put to rest the accusations of misogyny. 
happycamper2554
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I mean the truth hurts but yikes.
AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)
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oh gosh, I hope it doesnât come to this⌠His Instagram story does say heâs coming for everyone tomorrow. I mean if he wants to tell his truth, go for it. I just hope it doesnât go cray
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I wonder why Meagan even wants to get involved. This is why I would be a terrible real housewife. I wouldnât get involved in anyoneâs drama. Just hand me a whiskey and Iâm fine
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What "truth"? Do you have any evidence that Meagan was prostituting herself to get coaching? Because that's what he's saying.
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He didnât say she was whoring herself out. He said she was in a relationship with her coach, which she was and we all knew it at the time.
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And he explicitly tied it to "how did you pay for everything." His meaning could not possibly be clearer.
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Because her boyfriend/husband gave her discounts. Megan shouldnât be inserting herself in things if she canât take the heat. No one asked for her opinion on the subject.
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You're privy to her finances? Are you her accountant?
Completely missing the point. "The heat" should not involve an accusation like this. He could, and should, have said that training in Canada is expensive and left it there. Instead he went for the jugular. There's no excuse for it.
Without knowing anything about whether she has personal involvement or interaction that motivated her to comment, I would agree that Meagan didnât necessarily need to say anything in a public forum. That was her choice.
But there are also a million different ways Harley couldâve chosen to respond (or not). Itâs not like he implied that she slept with her coach to pay the bills because that was the only option available to him. Two roads diverged in a wood or whatever and he decided to go with slut-shaming. Nobody forced him to do that.
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Because she is OBSESSED with demonstrating so-called "virtue signalling" and presenting herself as the "good one". She has always commented on everything whether it was her business or not because she just cannot STFU.
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Looks like a classic troll to me.
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That's his business and Meagan's. Implying that it was "f*** me because you don't have any other way to pay for coaching" is completely wrong.
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Megan made it public by commenting about how he should return the money when it's none of her business. People donated to his training not the partnership. The partner at the time even donated. I agree it's a low blow, but what he does with the money is non of Megan's buisness. Not all skaters are lucky enough to be from well funded federations like Megan. Think how well Harley and Katya would have been supported financially if they represented Canada.
He's done this more than once, straight out of the playbook of Charlie Bilodeau, where he blows things up to make them seem like huge deals or like he has 'breaking news' coming.Harley's latest Instagram stories today, however...
Maybe he does have a long, sad side to share. But people are going to be
by the time he comes out with any of it after all of the 'I will eventually say something!!!!!' stuff. Or maybe he's waiting for producers to turn his story into another documentary.
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A GoFundMe is public - that's the whole point of it. She can comment on a public fundraiser just like anyone else can comment on it. Meagan receiving funding while she was competing doesn't disqualify her from commenting.
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Just because someone can comment publicly doesn't mean that they (any of the "they's") must or should comment.
Okay? And again, out of a multitude of possible responses, Harley chose that one in particular. If you canât fathom that there are ways to disagree with a woman that donât involve throwing shade on her sex life, it might be a good time to pause and reflect, rather than continuing to insist that thereâs no other combination of words he could possibly have posted in response.
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Whatever wrong anybody thinks Meagan committed, none of it excuses Windsorâs response. In fact, the posts defending Windsor have pretty much doubled-down on his very clear meaning of a transactional quid pro quo going on between her and her coach/now husband, which makes the initial posts from those same defenders saying he didnât say that she traded sex for discounts or free coaching or that financially benefitted from a sexual relationship she had with her coach more logically perplexing but clear what the motivation is behind the posts trying to redirect the ire away from Harley and onto Meagan.
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Call me crazy, but I think a coach who is also a romantic partner is far less likely to approach the coaching relationship as purely transactional. Will they bill for every lesson and expense? Give the skater fewer lessons if funding gets cut? Throw the student out of the group? Take them to court and collect on debts?
Duhamel had a certain level of security with her coach as her romantic partner. (It also presented enormous conflicts of interest, with her funding being paid to someone in the same household, though that's not unique in figure skating.) I don't think she ever had to worry about many of the things Windsor is worrying about -- like being able to afford coaching bills, the cost of living on his own (in a foreign country), etc.
It's very easy for someone who comes from a rich federation and whose elite coach was her romantic partner to cast stones against someone who comes from a weaker federation and what seems to be a working class family. Windsor's funding situation has been highly variable, and he has made several coaching / training decisions due to lack of money if the documentary is to be believed. Attacking him for a relatively modest GoFundMe seems unnecessary and cruel, especially coming from someone much older in a position of privilege and power.
No, Windsor did not express himself eloquently when he clapped back at Duhamel. But he also didn't say the various words people are putting his mouth (whore, slut, quid pro quo).
Duhamel had a certain level of security with her coach as her romantic partner. (It also presented enormous conflicts of interest, with her funding being paid to someone in the same household, though that's not unique in figure skating.) I don't think she ever had to worry about many of the things Windsor is worrying about -- like being able to afford coaching bills, the cost of living on his own (in a foreign country), etc.
It's very easy for someone who comes from a rich federation and whose elite coach was her romantic partner to cast stones against someone who comes from a weaker federation and what seems to be a working class family. Windsor's funding situation has been highly variable, and he has made several coaching / training decisions due to lack of money if the documentary is to be believed. Attacking him for a relatively modest GoFundMe seems unnecessary and cruel, especially coming from someone much older in a position of privilege and power.
No, Windsor did not express himself eloquently when he clapped back at Duhamel. But he also didn't say the various words people are putting his mouth (whore, slut, quid pro quo).
The coach should have refrained from commenting. He can easily just ignore the DMs. To the casual fan, it just looks like the coach is trying to cover up whatever happened behind the scenes not expecting the skater himself to come out with his side.@aussieSKATES as was posted in other threads here, the Cho/Windsor partnership, originally announced on July 28, has ended (Hye Jin Cho posted an Instagram story on Monday, Oct. 16 to say she is looking for a new partner to represent KOR).
Coach Andrew Evans posted this Instagram story message today (copied out below): https://www.instagram.com/stories/coachandrewevans/3216417449388780561/
Harley's latest Instagram stories today, however...
The reason I say this is because until this thread, I never heard of Harley Windsor or the drama he seems to have following him around. So my gut was to believe the skater over the now ex-coach.
But what has me scratching my head is if he is known to be so problematic, why would a coach partner his own skater with him to begin with?
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What did she say that had anything to do with virtue signalling? Also pot, kettle - you're commenting on the situation too.
I actually agree with this. I donât think Meagan generally has bad intentions but I do think sheâs not always great at recognizing the power dynamics involved when she comments publicly on things. Unless sheâs truly aware of something shady going on with the funds (which seems unlikely), she probably couldâve kept her thoughts on this one to private conversations.
You and others were able to make a perfectly good case that sheâs in a position of relative privilege without making it all about her relationship with her coach. Harley complained about people calling him a misogynist and then went straight for the most misogynistic angle he could in that reply. I think people are
at his lack of self-awareness more than anything.
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Wow, this train has left the station. In Harleyâs message I in no way read into it that Megan was a prostitute or trading sex with her coach. To me it reads it just so happens by chance sheâs in a relationship/marriage eventually with a person who is coaching her. So Iâm sure she wasnât paying top dollar coaching fees but thatâs just the situation she was in.
Whatâs offputting about her is she has something to say about every topic left to right. from what Iâve seen with her since Eric went to Vanessa and her time with David Lease and because you know theyâre doing double jumps in pairs instead of her triples or quads at the moment, is she was never taught if you donât have anything nice to say say nothing at all. Sometimes less is more.
Whatâs offputting about her is she has something to say about every topic left to right. from what Iâve seen with her since Eric went to Vanessa and her time with David Lease and because you know theyâre doing double jumps in pairs instead of her triples or quads at the moment, is she was never taught if you donât have anything nice to say say nothing at all. Sometimes less is more.
I agree with you. I also did not take his comment as insinuating that she was trading sex for coaching. Any outside relationship between skater and coach would most likely lead to some easing of financial burdens on the skarer. I'm sure most, if not all, the parents and siblings who coach their family are not charging their full rate...if anything at all. However, there was no need to respond to Meghan's unnecessary comment as coaching payment agreements between any skater/coach is none of anyone's business. No one batted an eye when Raf mentioned returning coaching fees back to Nathan Chen.
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His exact quote was, âHow exactly did you pay for everything, besides being in a relationship with your coach?â
He basically accused her funding her training costs through her relationship with her coach and questioned how she could have paid for everything besides entering into that relationship as if she couldnât find ways to fund it the way other Canadian skaters training in Canada have managed to fund their training, despite the high costs of training and living in a Canada, and not all of them are related to somebody.
Iâm actually sympathetic to Windsor as he is an Australian skater hoping to represent Korea with his Korean partner while training in Canada, and, thus, would not have had the same funding opportunities as a Canadian would have had, especially Duhamel being a consistent medalist at senior international competitions for years who won two World Championships and two Olympic medals.
I agree that her comment was biting and uncalled for in that why would she question his morality by making it seem like he was duping donors and taking their money and running away with it, unless she was a donor and actually concerned that the money that was earmarked for training would now just go to his personal account. However, I very doubt that was the case because she would have otherwise tried to contact him privately. She did what she did to try to publicly shame him when heâs clearly already down and the center of public scrutiny and added fuel to that fire.
However, that doesnât excuse what he said, his blatant meaning behind what he said, and why said what he said.
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"How exactly did you pay for everything, besides being in a relationship with your coach", followed by a "hmmmm" emoji (as in 'wondering' or 'curious'). If Harley wasn't suggesting that Meagan got some kind of special financial treatment because she was dating her coach, then why did he word his tweet that way?
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yes, I just didnât read anything about prostitution or an exchange for sex when I read that the first time or the second time. If anything, I thought maybe he was implying she had a life more of privilege than he did. But nothing about prostitution or sex.
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