Yes state sponsored! Not athlete sponsored! And it’s state meaning government not the country itself.
Either the athletes dope or who knows what happens to them. It’s dangerous not to dope but you can’t expect the athletes Or even the people in a totalitarian state to risk their lives to fix it. But you also don’t want to blame the victim athletes. You want to say Russia has state sponsored doping but not treat the athletes as victims. You want to say Russia has state sponsored doping and the athletes should be punished like it’s a choice they are making like they are Americans. They aren’t American style dopers they are in a state sponsored doping country. You can’t exclude because their might be doping you test test test test. what has banning Russians accomplished? Nothing!
IOC could say it then, why are they not saying what the reason is ?, please don’t tell me it is because of confidentiality, what could be worse than not getting invite to the Olympics because there is chance these athletes may have doped.
The best explanation that I've come across at this time is that their names were included on the database that was recovered at the end of October. None of the athletes in that database have been named so far. There has been a suggestion that the information hasn't been fully processed yet and that WADA is not ready to proceed with sanctions until all the testing of the Sochi samples is complete. I don't have any reason to believe that the IOC would just randomly ban athletes, unless you want to believe the Russian propaganda that this is all some political conspiracy.
Yes, but I don't what the problem is. I don't know what the database means but that doesn't mean that it is unprocessed or unconfirmed, it's just not public knowledge at this time. I am reserving judgement because I lack information.
The database apparently includes information on all athletes that were involved in the doping scheme, not just athletes that were competing in Sochi.
Poor choice of words on my part, my apologies. What I wanted to convey is that process is still moving forward regarding the testing of samples and the collection of evidence, not that the database itself is unprocessed.
These things need to go through the courts and independent authorities need to verify the claims, having names in a db is not good enough to get banned, what happens if all these claims turn out to be false, will D?R give back the bronze medal ?, since S/K could not compete. Also, i have serious problem wit anything that has been handed by CIA and FBI, how independent are they?
Well, we won’t know now, will we! They were banned regardless of being or not being guilty.Your assuming S&K wouldn't crack under the pressure... which they have done.
It should go through the legal channel rather than this. The proof should stand up to the cross examination at courts.But we do know there was state wide cheating.
We do know that 2 accomplices for the whistleblower was killed.
We do know that 2 more Russian athletes in PyeongChang tested positive for doping.
We do know that there were various reasons provided for the ban of some athletes.
So please explain how to address these issues when the conflicting messages from a couple people on this thread are ban doping athletes. . but don't blame Russian athletes for state doping because they had no choice.
Would that not indicate that something should be done within Russia? Except they are collectively saying they don't and haven't doped...
So you are saying that Stolbova and Klimov had positive tests then?
28 out of the 39 athletes that appealed were cleared by the CAS, the 11 athletes implicated are in the process of challenging the verdict in courts, hence no medal has been rewarded in these category. The whole Russian being banned from the games was based on the 43 athletes being banned, of which 28 has already being cleared. There was only one positive test among these athletes and he has accepted the ban.
Interesting. I wonder when the bottles in question were used...Hi everyone
Interesting : https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/n...ing-berlinger-doping-control-security-bottles
You are wrong but it’s really irrelevant what Russia government says because they really have no power in iaaf or wada and ioc! The Russian government says there is a HUGE doping problem but that it’s not government sponsored. So then athletes are coaches are doing the doping. The international community including wada iaaf but only some in ioc says all the doping in personally ordered by the highest levels of government which includes putin. But they have no power to change the Russian government. The Russian people have no power in the Russian government. If a Russian wants power in the government but wants to remove putin to have power- killed!!!! So either the whole international sports community starts acting like they used to act with totalitarian governments and allow them and test their athletes or ban them completely!But we do know there was state wide cheating.
We do know that 2 accomplices for the whistleblower was killed.
We do know that 2 more Russian athletes in PyeongChang tested positive for doping.
We do know that there were various reasons provided for the ban of some athletes.
So please explain how to address these issues when the conflicting messages from a couple people on this thread are ban doping athletes. . but don't blame Russian athletes for state doping because they had no choice.
Would that not indicate that something should be done within Russia? Except they are collectively saying they don't and haven't doped...
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