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I watched the Women SP on dailymotion with Barton and Osmond and then the rest with Hanretty's commentary, and I don't remember whom, but one of the three mentioned that Andrews had heart surgery over the summer during the broadcast.
 

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In general, I’ve been so struck by how much Lindsay has developed the rest of her skating beyond the jumps over the last few years. It’s one of the most impressive transformations I’ve seen and I would imagine it’s a testament her work ethic and willingness to listen to feedback. I’m excited to see how she does this season.
Me too. I really loved the SP - Sandra Bezic did not only the choreography, but weighed in on the costuming and look. There's a reason it got such a reaction at Skate Canada!
 

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Totally agree. My only thing with her is her nearly constant unhappy look. She always seems to display how unhappy she is IMO and if she could at least fake it and show some happiness I could get into her even more.

She's not unhappy during competitions and on camera, she's anxious. Part of that is just her natural expression too. She's not a dour person irl at all, she's just somewhat introverted which adds to her coming across as very serious/shy on tv.
She doesn't come across as unhappy to me, and I don't think her facial expressions appear anxious. But, I think anxiety about landing jumps often leads skaters to focus on their jumps and not focus on facial expressions that interpret the music. (Loena comes to mind.) And it takes energy to express the music with your body. That could be an issue for Lindsay. I don't think the long program works as well and it may be because the music is a little more dynamic in that program and her skating doesn't always reflect that.

But, I actually think she has a reserved, composed, and placid demeanor (even if she is incredibly anxious in her mind) on the ice and that was what I was talking about when I said that the music choice seems to match that. In any event, I really like the program.

I think that, even if Lindsay had the skate of her life and was genuinely ecstatic about how she skated, she wouldn't be jumping up and down and pumping her fist at the end. And there's nothing wrong with that.


I was just thinking those kind of comments are why we get so many unreasonably happy grins during sad songs.
I'm not sure about that. I think that's true in some circumstances, especially with some younger skaters who may think they are just supposed to look happy and perky. But, I think we sometimes see skaters smiling during sadder or darker or more serious music because they haven't even given much thought to what kind of expression the music really calls for and their coaches aren't focusing on that. And sometimes the skaters are just very happy about landing a jump or being near the end of a program that is going well and aren't focused on the expressive part of their program.
 
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I truly enjoyed Thorngren this past weekend. I hope to see her compete will the rest of the season, and see how her season progresses. I think her choreography is actually somewhat memorable, and not in a funny way, which is a lot to ask for in women's skating these days.
 

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I love both of Lindsay's programs this year and I really enjoy her skating. The jumps are better than last season when she was first dealing with a lot of growth, so she's moving in the right direction. Her PCS seem underscored to me, but I'm willing to accept that something might not be coming across on the screen, eg, attack and projection. But her movement and line are lovely. I see an upward projection for her.
 

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In US ladies skating, more so then with other countries, I feel like there is a tendency to bring the skater to the program, and the program has to fit the mold of either elegant or cute. It would be so much better if the program was brought to the skater, with the choreography matching the skater's energy/outlook. If you have a skater who is visibly anxious, I think portraying an intense character might really help them present the choreography more convincingly. But maybe the anxious skater has a gentle, quiet personality. If that is the case, Lindsay's programs are a good fit.
 

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If Thorngren starts getting her jumps rotated fully, I think her PCS will start increasing. Skate Canada was an improvement over last season when she seemed to be getting < or << on a LOT of her jumps. If she was adjusting to a growth spurt, or to body core changes due to puberty, as we've often seen, many female skaters take some time get their technique fully back.

And even with the under-rotation issues, her jump technique is still more pleasant to the eye than Isabeau.
 

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She's not unhappy during competitions and on camera, she's anxious. Part of that is just her natural expression too. She's not a dour person irl at all, she's just somewhat introverted which adds to her coming across as very serious/shy on tv.

Thorngren skates positively but is so DOUR on ice…not a natural performer with sunny face, like Isabeau. I love Bradie’s natural expression - not constantly smiley-sunny like Isabeau but serious when necessary (Turandot, the menacing Empress).
 

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Thorngren skates positively but is so DOUR on ice…not a natural performer with sunny face, like Isabeau. I love Bradie’s natural expression - not constantly smiley-sunny like Isabeau but serious when necessary (Turandot, the menacing Empress).
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oh darn I forgot do the US only have two spots?
Communication No. 2577 - Entries for ISU Figure Skating and Synchronized Skating Championships 2024 (11 July 2023): https://www.isu.org/figure-skating/...-synchronized-skating-championships-2024/file
(Minimum Total Elements Scores are listed in this document as well.)

ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2024
Men
3: JPN KOR USA
2: CAN FRA ITA SUI

Women
3: JPN KOR
2: BEL EST GER SUI USA

Pairs
3: CAN JPN USA
2: AUS GER HUN ITA

Ice Dance
3: CAN USA
2: CZE FIN FRA GBR ITA LTU

ISU European Figure Skating Championships 2024
Men
3: FRA ITA
2: EST GEO LAT SWE SUI

Women
3: BEL GEO
2: EST FIN GER ITA POL ROU SUI

Pairs
3: GER ITA
2: FRA GBR HUN NED UKR

Ice Dance
3: FRA GBR ITA
2: CZE FIN GEO GER HUN LTU UKR

ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2024
Men
3: JPN
2: CAN CHN EST ITA KOR SWE SUI USA

Women
3: JPN KOR
2: CAN CHN EST GEO SUI USA

Pairs
3: AUS USA
2: CAN CHN CZE FRA GER JPN UKR

Ice Dance
3: CAN CZE USA
2: CYP FRA GBR KOR

The following ISU Members, as non-European Federations may participate in the ISU Four Continents Championships ("... will have open entries with each ISU Member entitled to enter up to a maximum of three (3) entries for each event."):
Argentina
Australia
Brazil
Canada
Chile
China
Ecuador
Egypt
Hong Kong/China
India
Indonesia
Japan
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyz Republic
Republic of Korea
Kuwait
Malaysia
Mexico
Mongolia
Morocco
New Zealand
Peru
Philippines
D.P.R. Korea
South Africa
Singapore
Thailand
Turkmenistan
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Until we know more details about why Bradie withdrew from both of her GPs, I don't think we can possibly know what her chances are for competing and doing well at Nationals and making the Worlds team. And, even if she were to say right now that she is out for the season, it is far too soon to assume that Amber would get a spot on the Worlds team.

I agree, but also this is figure skating were talking about, and this is overreaction season.
There's a season for figure skating fans overreacting?
 

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It's so interesting the way people's perceptions vary. I don't see Isabeau as "smiley-sunny." I do think that she tries not to show her anxiety and tries to interpret the music. But, her focus on completing everything perfectly can sometimes interfere with that.

Isabeau, while pleasing in a certain aesthetic, reminds me so much of Sasha Cohen in performance: pretty positions but otherwise mechanical and emotionless. Off ice, I find both a lot more charming.
I agree, but also this is figure skating were talking about, and this is overreaction season.

Just wait. The pre-Olympic and Olympic season have people in tenfold amounts of chaos.
 

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Isabeau, while pleasing in a certain aesthetic, reminds me so much of Sasha Cohen in performance: pretty positions but otherwise mechanical and emotionless. Off ice, I find both a lot more charming.


Just wait. The pre-Olympic and Olympic season have people in tenfold amounts of chaos.
I agree about Sasha Cohen; watching her in Washington at 2003 Worlds was like watching someone check off a grocery list: OK, I just put my footwork in my basket, now let me find the aisle where axels are for sale. It was so mechanical and the performance never went beyond her face.
 

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You're going to jinx her! Do you want her to break her face again?

Isabeau, while pleasing in a certain aesthetic, reminds me so much of Sasha Cohen in performance: pretty positions but otherwise mechanical and emotionless. Off ice, I find both a lot more charming.
I don't think she's mechanical or emotionless. I think there are parts of her programs where she is quite expressive, and not just with her face. But, she sometimes breaks out of it when she's concentrating on technical aspects of her program. She definitely could improve, and it sounds like she is trying to. I do wish that she would start working with some choreographers, though, and not just on the steps themselves, but expressiveness as well.
 
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oh darn I forgot do the US only have two spots?
I don't see that changing unless someone shows they can be counted on to finish in the top 8 at least besides isabeau who you know most likely isn't going to bomb unlike someone like Amber. Bradie in past years could be counted on for a top 7 finish but she's not been exactly reliable her last two Worlds appearances either.
 

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I don't see that changing unless someone shows they can be counted on to finish in the top 8 at least besides isabeau who you know most likely isn't going to bomb unlike someone like Amber. Bradie in past years could be counted on for a top 7 finish but she's not been exactly reliable her last two Worlds appearances either.
 

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Is there any room left in your windowless van? :scream:

Seriously. We only need a 13. Last year was Amber's first appearance at world's and she had some unusual stuff happening just before.

I think Isabeau could be a strong 3-4-5 finisher, which means the second USA skater (ahem Amber) could be 8-9-10. Heck, on a good day, skating clean with her 3A (I know, I know, stars need to align), Amber could be a top 4 skater.
 

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Is there any room left in your windowless van? :scream:

Seriously. We only need a 13. Last year was Amber's first appearance at world's and she had some unusual stuff happening just before.

I think Isabeau could be a strong 3-4-5 finisher, which means the second USA skater (ahem Amber) could be 8-9-10. Heck, on a good day, skating clean with her 3A (I know, I know, stars need to align), Amber could be a top 4 skater.
Uh...there's ALWAYS an alibi with Amber. Having been a fan of Cohen and Nagasu, sometimes you just have to admit your fave is a headcase and live with others' (justifiable) doubts...
 
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