2023 Budapest Trophy - Women's SP & FS

[Wyliefan]

And it's enough. Bradie 1st, Lea 2nd, Clare 3rd. I tried to post the grid, but the site got miffed at me for trying to post "more than 20 images" (the flag graphics in the grid, I guess). What's that about?

 

[Sylvia]

Women
Result
FPl. Name Nation Points SP FS
1 Bradie TENNELL USA 185.84 1 1
2 Lea SERNA FRA 178.56 4 2
3 Clare SEO USA 171.94 2 4
4 Livia KAISER SUI 170.39 3 6
5 Olga MIKUTINA AUT 169.49 6 5
6 Nataly LANGERBAUR EST 165.85 10 3
7 Lorine SCHILD FRA 164.15 5 9
8 Sara FRANZI SUI 158.67 8 8
9 Anastasija KONGA LAT 157.37 13 7
10 Alina URUSHADZE GEO 153.37 15 10
11 Sofja STEPCENKO LAT 148.19 7 18
12 Minja PELTONEN FIN 147.32 9 17
13 Anastasia GRACHEVA MDA 146.62 12 13
14 Yelizaveta BABENKO UKR 145.82 19 11
15 Barbora VRANKOVA CZE 143.95 16 15
16 Olesja LEONOVA EST 142.63 11 21
17 Olivia LISKO FIN 141.19 17 19
18 Kristina ISAEV GER 139.67 20 16
19 Maia MAZZARA FRA 137.53 25 12
20 Lindsay van ZUNDERT NED 135.24 26 14
21 Julia BROVALL SWE 135.16 18 22
22 Regina SCHERMANN HUN 132.18 22 20
23 Anna LEVKOVETS KAZ 131.38 21 23
24 Daria ZSIRNOV HUN 122.99 24 24
25 Sofiya FARAFONOVA KAZ 120.89 23 25
26 Hiu Yau CHOW HKG 101.67 27 26
WD Stefanie PESENDORFER AUT 50.88 14

Pl.	Name	Nation	TSS =	TES +		PCS +	CO	PR	SK	Ded. -	StN.
1​	Bradie TENNELL	USA	120.75​	58.41​		64.34​	8.05​	7.90​	8.15​	2.00​	#27​
2​	Lea SERNA	FRA	115.98​	57.51​		58.47​	7.15​	7.40​	7.35​	0.00​	#24​
3​	Nataly LANGERBAUR	EST	111.01​	58.54​		52.47​	6.50​	6.45​	6.70​	0.00​	#18​
4​	Clare SEO	USA	108.59​	50.25​		58.34​	7.25​	7.25​	7.35​	0.00​	#26​
5​	Olga MIKUTINA	AUT	108.01​	49.67​		58.34​	7.30​	7.25​	7.30​	0.00​	#22​
6​	Livia KAISER	SUI	107.62​	53.22​		55.40​	6.95​	6.75​	7.05​	1.00​	#25​
7​	Anastasija KONGA	LAT	105.71​	55.92​		49.79​	6.20​	6.20​	6.25​	0.00​	#15​
8​	Sara FRANZI	SUI	103.11​	51.31​		53.80​	6.65​	6.75​	6.75​	2.00​	#20​
9​	Lorine SCHILD	FRA	102.52​	48.58​		53.94​	6.65​	6.65​	6.90​	0.00​	#23​
10​	Alina URUSHADZE	GEO	102.49​	51.43​		52.06​	6.35​	6.60​	6.55​	1.00​	#13​
11​	Yelizaveta BABENKO	UKR	97.06​	49.67​		47.39​	5.90​	5.90​	5.95​	0.00​	#9​
12​	Maia MAZZARA	FRA	95.22​	48.16​		48.06​	6.00​	5.95​	6.05​	1.00​	#3​
13​	Anastasia GRACHEVA	MDA	94.79​	48.66​		47.13​	5.95​	5.65​	6.05​	1.00​	#16​
14​	Lindsay van ZUNDERT	NED	94.32​	49.93​		45.39​	5.60​	5.80​	5.60​	1.00​	#2​
15​	Barbora VRANKOVA	CZE	93.20​	42.40​		51.80​	6.50​	6.35​	6.55​	1.00​	#12​
16​	Kristina ISAEV	GER	92.81​	42.75​		50.06​	6.25​	6.30​	6.20​	0.00​	#8​
17​	Minja PELTONEN	FIN	92.05​	44.12​		49.93​	6.25​	6.00​	6.45​	2.00​	#19​
18​	Sofja STEPCENKO	LAT	91.38​	44.19​		48.19​	5.90​	5.85​	6.30​	1.00​	#21​
19​	Olivia LISKO	FIN	90.85​	42.06​		49.79​	6.15​	6.20​	6.30​	1.00​	#11​
20​	Regina SCHERMANN	HUN	88.23​	43.70​		45.53​	5.65​	5.45​	5.95​	1.00​	#6​
21​	Olesja LEONOVA	EST	87.93​	43.87​		46.06​	5.85​	5.55​	5.85​	2.00​	#17​
22​	Julia BROVALL	SWE	86.27​	40.08​		46.19​	5.75​	5.55​	6.00​	0.00​	#10​
23​	Anna LEVKOVETS	KAZ	86.03​	43.70​		44.33​	5.65​	5.40​	5.55​	2.00​	#7​
24​	Daria ZSIRNOV	HUN	80.09​	39.24​		42.85​	5.40​	5.30​	5.35​	2.00​	#4​
25​	Sofiya FARAFONOVA	KAZ	77.22​	36.90​		42.32​	5.40​	5.05​	5.40​	2.00​	#5​
26​	Hiu Yau CHOW	HKG	70.58​	33.66​		37.92​	4.80​	4.60​	4.80​	1.00​	#1​
WD​	Stefanie PESENDORFER	AUT	​	​		​	​	​	​	​	#14​

 

[Sylvia]

FS protocols: https://hunskate.hu/external/mukorc...------FNL-000100--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf

 

[Wyliefan]

Clare got off a 3-3, at least, even though she got a < for it.

 

[Frau Muller]

Cheers to Bradie! Even w two falls and a step-out…

Bradie Tennell USA - Challenger Series - 2023 Budapest Trophy Long Program

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[Private Citizen]

FS protocols: https://hunskate.hu/external/mukorc...------FNL-000100--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf

Tennell's 3T and 3Lz both called <<, and rightfully so.

Controversial call for Clare Seo. She skated through a triple lutz attempt, then did one right after. The panel called it Lz followed by 3Lz<, which then gave her too many jumping passes and invalidated her final 3Lo<.

Is this according to the rules? I struggle to see how they could call the first a lutz attempt when she never picked at all. If you want to see for yourself, the video is here: https://youtu.be/YKlXvrihy6U?si=zl8bGmzh-9PoYoN3&t=180

 

[tony]

Tennell's 3T and 3Lz both called <<, and rightfully so.

Controversial call for Clare Seo. She skated through a triple lutz attempt, then did one right after. The panel called it Lz followed by 3Lz<, which then gave her too many jumping passes and invalidated her final 3Lo<.

Is this according to the rules? I struggle to see how they could call the first a lutz attempt when she never picked at all. If you want to see for yourself, the video is here: https://youtu.be/YKlXvrihy6U?si=zl8bGmzh-9PoYoN3&t=180

If the intent is there, pretty sure they can call it whether there was an attempt or not. I remember the wording says something like having a clear preparation. She was definitely 'preparing' for a Lutz, and so it was called.

ETA found it:

Attempted Jump What is an attempt?
In principle, a clear preparation for a take-off for a jump, stepping to the entry edge or placing the toe pick into the ice and leaving the ice with or without a turn is considered an attempt of a jump, receives no value and blocks a box.

In some cases, which need to be decided by the TP, the preparation for the take off without leaving the ice might be also called an attempt, e.g. a loop jump take off when the skater falls before leaving the ice, or a skater steps onto the forward takeoff edge of an Axel and pulls back the free leg and arms, starts the forward movement to jump into the air with the free leg and arms passing through forward but at the last moment does not leave the ice, etc.

 

[Private Citizen]

If the intent is there, pretty sure they can call it whether there was an attempt or not. I remember the wording says something like having a clear preparation. She was definitely 'preparing' for a Lutz, and so it was called.

I was hoping you'd weigh in! Thanks for posting the excerpts. I'm still not sure what Seo did clears the bar of the two examples given. She never picked or even got on the takeoff edge. But I guess it's not as egregious of a call as I initially thought if the rulebook allows for "skating through" jumps to be called an attempt.

I supposed it doesn't matter, but should her final invalidated loop been called 3Lo<+COMBO or 3Lo<+T? She was clearly motioning to do a toe loop, did the preparation, and even seemed to put the toe in and then turn on it?

Interesting examples at least!

 

[tony]

I was hoping you'd weigh in! Thanks for posting the excerpts. I'm still not sure what Seo did clears the bar of the two examples given. She never picked or even got on the takeoff edge. But I guess it's not as egregious of a call as I initially thought if the rulebook allows for "skating through" jumps to be called an attempt.

I supposed it doesn't matter, but should her final invalidated loop been called 3Lo<+COMBO or 3Lo<+T? She was clearly motioning to do a toe loop, did the preparation, and even seemed to put the toe in and then turn on it?

Interesting examples at least!

Although it does look like there could have been a toe loop combo attempt on the end of the loop, that would've been a 4th combination anyways and it wouldn't have counted (already on top of the loop or anything else she would've put there not counting because of it being an 8th jumping pass). So maybe they decided, mess of a protocol aside, that she knew she couldn't do another combo and just had a weird fight between turning out and putting the foot down?

ETA- What I'm actually thinking is that if it is a second (or third) jump in a jumping block, you don't 'have' to do anything if you change your mind, so they don't count any of it against you. I can't find any official wording that says such (yet), but I have a feeling that's what it is.

Interesting to have two unique situations in a span of a few seconds.

 

[Katyaever]

Controversial call for Clare Seo. She skated through a triple lutz attempt, then did one right after. The panel called it Lz followed by 3Lz<, which then gave her too many jumping passes and invalidated her final 3Lo<.

Is this according to the rules? I struggle to see how they could call the first a lutz attempt when she never picked at all. If you want to see for yourself, the video is here: https://youtu.be/YKlXvrihy6U?si=zl8bGmzh-9PoYoN3&t=180

That was crazy. She was just going preparation and changed her mind, then did 2 steps and took off into the lutz. Impressive that she was able to do the lutz from just 2 steps. IMO, they should have counted the last 2 jumping passes.

On the other hand, I thought the call on the 3S was generous, you could see the boot landing forward, it very much looked like a <<. So maybe it balanced itself out...

 

[Wyliefan]

I can remember a similar jump attempt being called a jump before. Can't remember who the skater was, though.

 

[tony]

I can remember a similar jump attempt being called a jump before. Can't remember who the skater was, though.

I'll think of more examples, but Brown's slip off of his Axel attempt edge in Sochi resulted in that being called an attempt (A), although that one is more clear since he was about to rotate.

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Didn't Tennell or one of the US women last season (or maybe a few years ago, maybe someone not from the US, who knows?) fall on the entry into the Lutz and then just not do it in the program? I can't remember if that was called Lz, or if it really was on the entry versus just gliding.

Mae Meite had a spin invalidated once because she missed the entry, but the intent was there. She repeated it directly after the mishap and it was *. Don't remember where or when that was, either.

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

Is this according to the rules? I struggle to see how they could call the first a lutz attempt when she never picked at all.

I thought the same. She was approaching the Lutz, decided she didn`t have enough umph to do it, took a couple more strokes, and then did it. The judges were expecting the lutz at a certain place and treated it like it was done. Skaters move elements around on the fly all the time. I just don`t get it.

I do like her skating and hope she continues to build a good season.

 

[ptvvibezz]

2023 Budapest Trophy Clare Seo FS

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2023 Budapest Trophy Bradie Tennell FS

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[bladesofgorey]

Just watching Bradie's FS here again, and although I love her costume and think it looks great on her, imo the music is a total miss for her style. She's got very straight and angular lines and fantastic speed and it seems like a total mismatch, especially during the first half of the music which calls for slow and sinewy, even balletic movement. It makes her look like a far less expressive skater than she actually is.

 

[tony]

Just watching Bradie's FS here again, and although I love her costume and think it looks great on her, imo the music is a total miss for her style. She's got very straight and angular lines and fantastic speed and it seems like a total mismatch, especially during the first half of the music which calls for slow and sinewy, even balletic movement. It makes her look like a far less expressive skater than she actually is.

I totally agree. She needs modern and abstract music like we’ve seen on her in the past. I think also her packaging makes the line-mismatch stand out even more throughout the program. I love the music and I typically love Bradie’s skating, but this choice is a real puzzle for me. She doesn’t need Turandot to carry her into being ‘artistic’ by default (as has happened in the past). She already has all of that skill.