Grand Prix de France 2023 Free Dance - “The Umbrellas of Cheer/Boo”

[PRlady]

Having now seen the programs of all the top teams, I think g/f have the best skating by far, but I'm not sure if this is going to beat the drama of g/p or the...clocking of c/b. I want it to though.

Exactly what I thought. Beautiful and understated up against gimmicky and drama.

 

[tony]

55.94 for Guignard, 55.00 for Fournier-Beaudry.

That really tells the story of BS judging and how it's going to go later in the season. There is just zero comparison.

 

[victorskid]

FD results:

1​	Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI	ITA	127.92​	71.98​		55.94​	9.32​	9.29​	9.36​	0.00​	#10​
2​	Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SOERENSEN	CAN	124.17​	69.17​		55.00​	9.25​	9.25​	9.00​	0.00​	#9​
3​	Evgeniia LOPAREVA / Geoffrey BRISSAUD	FRA	113.87​	62.59​		51.28​	8.57​	8.57​	8.50​	0.00​	#8​
4​	Christina CARREIRA / Anthony PONOMARENKO	USA	113.76​	63.40​		50.36​	8.39​	8.36​	8.43​	0.00​	#7​
5​	Marie-Jade LAURIAULT / Romain le GAC	CAN	112.13​	62.91​		49.22​	8.32​	8.36​	7.93​	0.00​	#6​
6​	Hannah LIM / Ye QUAN	KOR	106.71​	61.27​		46.44​	7.82​	7.79​	7.61​	1.00​	#3​
7​	Lorraine McNAMARA / Anton SPIRIDONOV	USA	99.48​	54.28​		45.20​	7.57​	7.46​	7.57​	0.00​	#2​
8​	Marie DUPAYAGE / Thomas NABAIS	FRA	99.42​	53.86​		45.56​	7.71​	7.57​	7.50​	0.00​	#4​
9​	Olivia SMART / Tim DIECK	ESP	96.67​	50.01​		46.66​	8.00​	7.79​	7.54​	0.00​	#5​
10​	Natacha LAGOUGE / Arnaud CAFFA	FRA	94.43​	52.55​		41.88​	7.04​	7.04​	6.86​	0.00​	#1​

Overall results:

1	Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI	ITA	214.54	1	1
2	Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SOERENSEN	CAN	205.15	2	2
3	Evgeniia LOPAREVA / Geoffrey BRISSAUD	FRA	190.82	3	3
4	Christina CARREIRA / Anthony PONOMARENKO	USA	186.70	4	4
5	Marie-Jade LAURIAULT / Romain le GAC	CAN	182.61	5	5
6	Hannah LIM / Ye QUAN	KOR	173.85	8	6
7	Marie DUPAYAGE / Thomas NABAIS	FRA	167.62	7	8
8	Olivia SMART / Tim DIECK	ESP	166.58	6	9
9	Lorraine McNAMARA / Anton SPIRIDONOV	USA	164.25	9	7
10	Natacha LAGOUGE / Arnaud CAFFA	FRA	154.67	10	10

Protocol links: http://www.isuresults.com/results/s...------FNL-000100--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf

 

[Rukia]

55.94 for Guignard, 55.00 for Fournier-Beaudry.

That really tells the story of BS judging and how it's going to go later in the season. There is just zero comparison.

That's so funny tbh like what's more important in skating, your edges or your abs. Think about it.

 

[Spikefan]

I really want them to win Worlds but with it being in Montreal and then Boston I don’t see that happening. I guess I will just have to settle for Milan 2026.

 

[skategal]

I’m finding most of the FDs snoozy after the RDs.

It’s like they used up all their creativity in designing the RDs.

 

[Matryeshka]

That's so funny tbh like what's more important in skating, your edges or your abs. Think about it.

Abs. Definitely abs.

Going back to watch the skaters I missed. Or should that be "missed"?

 

[thvu]

That's so funny tbh like what's more important in skating, your edges or your abs. Think about it.

I think we all know the uncomfortable truth.

 

[topaz]

Still some stuff to clean up, certainly they are capable seeing how technically proficient they are.

I do wish they'd venture outside the 'safe' realm and do more stuff like the Bowie FD, but I'll always be a purist at heart. And for me, just like I ranted all season last season, this team is the best in the world. There is just no comparison and I wish the judges would properly reward it.

SAY IT

 

[Dobre]

Mom & I think IAM should have given the Elvis to Lim & Quan.

This would kill several birds with one stone. Give life to the Korean team, rescue Dieck from the role, rescue me from Umbrellas of Cherbourg, and allow Ye Quan to really shine in a program--which he & his haircut seem ready to do.

 

[canbelto]

Babs cam is always so fun!

 

[escaflowne9282]

Their skating is by far the best and I love their lifts ,but I find the music a bit dull.

 

[tony]

SAY IT

No worries, it's a definite that I'll keep saying it all season.

 

[Citlali]

Searched all the Arena to get data just to say that I deserve a medal for getting through 2 Notredames live

Also we need to get rid of the illusions in single spins and the "board to board" "chorography"

The last two couples were wonderful and well worth a transcontinental flight and credit card debt

 

[tony]

Canada, Monaco, and South Korea had FB/S first and also first in PCS.

I really want to sit in on the learning sessions these judges get. It's scandalous.

Call me mean, call me a know it all, call me someone who doesn't know the difference between a lutz and flip or anything in between, but I do know better than those judges.

 

[Wyliefan]

Can someone start a thread for the men?

 

[thvu]

Canada, Monaco, and South Korea had FB/S first and also first in PCS.

I see a lack of shame isn’t reserved for big fed judges.

 

[Rukia]

Canada, Monaco, and South Korea had FB/S first and also first in PCS.

I really want to sit in on the learning sessions these judges get. It's scandalous.

Call me mean, call me a know it all, call me someone who doesn't know the difference between a lutz and flip or anything in between, but I do know better than those judges.

The thing is, you can't tell me they don't know better. It's just that whatever they are getting out of it, whether it be national pride or trading points idk, is worth more than what they know about skating. But I refuse to believe the genuinely watch it and go "oh yes that was better skating."

 

[tony]

The Monaco judge had Smart/Dieck first place in the RD at Finlandia. Intriguing!

 

[Spikefan]

Canada, positioning their teams. South Korea, helping an IAM team to hopefully help their IAM team. Monaco, fan of abs?

 

[Matryeshka]

The Monaco judge had Smart/Dieck first place in the RD at Finlandia.

Just fire him from his non-paid job now.

Seriously? That's A LOT even for me.

 

[thvu]

The thing is, you can't tell me they don't know better. It's just that whatever they are getting out of it, whether it be national pride or trading points idk, is worth more than what they know about skating. But I refuse to believe the genuinely watch it and go "oh yes that was better skating."

In my experience talking to and listening in on conversations with ISU judges, some have a profound lack of awareness of the rules and the politics around how skaters and teams are actually scored.

 

[NinjaTurtles]

Canadian judge’s scoring of FB/S is so obviously biased.

How can any judge not have Guignard/Fabbri lead on Compostion? It’s not just about “choreography” in the taste sense - multidimensional movement, connections between the elements, use of space, etc…Monaco and his 8.75 are ridiculous.

 

[Matryeshka]

Thoughts on earlier skaters:
I am going to tell D/N the same thing I told the Browns--there is NO MORE ROOM on my dance card for more ice dancers. STOP IT. Be less likable, damnit.

I feel like "worm" will be coming soon to GP thread titles. I Umbrellas. Give me all the angsty Frenchie nonsense.

 

[Rukia]

In my experience talking to and listening in on conversations with ISU judges, some have a profound lack of awareness of the rules and the politics around how skaters and teams are actually scored.

my old ice dance coach was going through judging training and he eventually gave it up because he was constantly getting in trouble for not being inline with the other judges, but he was actually trying to judge the actual skating which was his grand mistake. He only "succeeded" when he just tried to guess what the other judges were going to score.

 

[tony]

my old ice dance coach was going through judging training and he eventually gave it up because he was constantly getting in trouble for not being inline with the other judges, but he was actually trying to judge the actual skating which was his grand mistake. He only "succeeded" when he just tried to guess what the other judges were going to score.

This is a common trend. When I interviewed the judge right after the 2010 Olympics, he said the same thing that judges were so worried about being outside the 'corridor' so they just go with the expected flow. That procedure has changed, but I think the psychology is still there.

But I do have conversations on the regular with a few Championship-level judges, and I do question the amount of proficiency they are actually required to show. Because flame me all you want, I'm more of a rules expert than some.. that's for sure

 

[Wyliefan]

my old ice dance coach was going through judging training and he eventually gave it up because he was constantly getting in trouble for not being inline with the other judges, but he was actually trying to judge the actual skating which was his grand mistake. He only "succeeded" when he just tried to guess what the other judges were going to score.

That makes me so sad. Not surprised, just sad.

 

[taz'smum]

I wish Mark would put a few pounds in the "better costumes for underfunded skaters" jar every time he said 'mesmeric.'

Mark has listened and taken your comment onboard
He said

Lol!!!​

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Good to know. ​

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Thesaurus out to remove that one from the vocab!​

 

[Wyliefan]

Aw, bless him.

 

[Holy Headband]

Mark has listened and taken your comment onboard
He said

Lol!!!​

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Good to know. ​

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Thesaurus out to remove that one from the vocab!​

Aw, I didn't mean to make him feel self-conscious. Please tell him he's my favourite commentator next time, if you remember!