JGP Istanbul - Men SP & FS

[Wyliefan]

This poor guy's last name is actually Incel! I hope it doesn't mean the same in Turkish as it does in English!

 

[Holy Headband]

"Only started skating <5 years ago" is a very trendy lie among junior skaters lately. I've heard it said about 3-4 separate skaters and it was easily disproven in at least 2 cases. I automatically translate it as "only started skating seriously..." in my head at this point.

 

[Hedwig]

For those of you who only want to watch a few skaters - apart from the top three these are my picks for cherry picking watching:

Ean WEILER
Lukas VACLAVIK

and one of the Turkish skaters for the sheer delight of the crowd.

 

[kalamalka]

All the Turkish skaters acquitted themselves well, and it was great to see a sizeable and enthusiastic crowd.

 

[Sylvia]

SP protocols: http://www.isuresults.com/results/s...OR----QUAL000100--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf

Pl.	Name	Nation	TSS =	TES +		PCS +	CO	PR	SK	Ded. -	StN.
1​	Daiya EBIHARA	JPN	76.10​	41.45​		34.65​	6.68​	6.96​	7.11​	0.00​	#19​
2​	Minkyu SEO	KOR	75.67​	39.35​		36.32​	7.07​	7.29​	7.39​	0.00​	#21​
3​	Rio NAKATA	JPN	73.55​	38.13​		35.42​	7.00​	6.82​	7.39​	0.00​	#1​
4​	Lukas VACLAVIK	SVK	65.04​	30.39​		34.65​	7.00​	6.96​	6.79​	0.00​	#5​
5​	Elias SAYED	SWE	63.76​	34.00​		29.76​	5.93​	6.00​	5.89​	0.00​	#4​
6​	Konstantin SUPATASHVILI	GEO	61.28​	33.30​		27.98​	5.71​	5.43​	5.61​	0.00​	#14​
7​	Jakub LOFEK	POL	60.78​	29.08​		32.70​	6.50​	6.54​	6.54​	1.00​	#7​
8​	Ali Efe GUNES	TUR	60.58​	32.05​		29.53​	5.89​	5.75​	6.04​	1.00​	#26​
9​	David BONDAR	CAN	60.30​	29.82​		31.48​	6.32​	6.07​	6.46​	1.00​	#16​
10​	Fedir KULISH	LAT	60.02​	31.44​		28.58​	5.79​	5.61​	5.71​	0.00​	#23​
11​	Terry Yu Tao JIN	CAN	59.98​	30.51​		30.47​	6.11​	6.14​	6.00​	1.00​	#10​
12​	Aurelian CHERVET	SUI	55.66​	27.06​		29.60​	5.86​	5.82​	6.04​	1.00​	#15​
13​	Luca FUENFER	GER	54.43​	24.79​		29.64​	5.86​	5.75​	6.14​	0.00​	#25​
14​	Gianni MOTILLA	FRA	53.49​	27.26​		26.23​	5.21​	5.14​	5.36​	0.00​	#20​
15​	Kai KOVAR	USA	52.54​	23.64​		30.90​	6.25​	5.89​	6.36​	2.00​	#17​
16​	Furkan Emre INCEL	TUR	49.64​	23.26​		27.38​	5.50​	5.46​	5.43​	1.00​	#27​
17​	Arin YORKE	GBR	49.02​	23.25​		25.77​	5.25​	5.07​	5.11​	0.00​	#11​
18​	Ean WEILER	SUI	47.91​	20.92​		28.99​	5.86​	5.57​	5.93​	2.00​	#8​
19​	Ege ALACAN	TUR	47.74​	24.91​		22.83​	4.46​	4.46​	4.75​	0.00​	#13​
20​	Aleksei VLASENKO	HUN	47.44​	24.54​		22.90​	4.68​	4.39​	4.64​	0.00​	#2​
21​	Kyrylo MARSAK	UKR	47.08​	20.46​		28.62​	5.79​	5.39​	5.96​	2.00​	#24​
22​	Nikita KRIVOSHEYEV	KAZ	45.12​	19.23​		26.89​	5.46​	5.21​	5.43​	1.00​	#22​
23​	Daniel KORABELNIK	LTU	44.96​	22.06​		22.90​	4.57​	4.43​	4.71​	0.00​	#6​
24​	Jegor MARTSENKO	EST	42.71​	15.50​		28.21​	5.71​	5.25​	5.93​	1.00​	#12​
25​	Wendell HANSSON-OSTERGAARD	DEN	37.38​	15.13​		22.25​	4.61​	4.50​	4.21​	0.00​	#18​
26​	Razvan CIONAC	ROU	36.82​	16.53​		20.29​	4.11​	4.00​	4.04​	0.00​	#3​
27​	Yoanis APOSTOLU	BUL	35.05​	16.92​		18.13​	3.71​	3.50​	3.64​	0.00​	#9​

 

[Primorskaya]

First times in eons I watch a Junior event and I'm very pleasantly surprised, I should do it more often. Worth peeking through the mists of the Bosphorus for

 

[Sylvia]

FS time schedule by skater (Saturday event #1 - 11:00-15:12 local / 4:00-8:12 am Eastern time): http://www.isuresults.com/results/s...JUNIOR----FNL-000100--_StartListwithTimes.pdf

Final 2 groups:

13:19:30 - 13:25:30 Warm-Up Group 4 (6:19 am Eastern start time)
13:26:00 - 13:33:00 16 Fedir KULISH LAT 10 60.02
13:33:00 - 13:40:00 17 Aurelian CHERVET SUI 12 55.66
13:40:00 - 13:47:00 18 Terry Yu Tao JIN CAN 11 59.98
13:47:00 - 13:54:00 19 Ali Efe GUNES TUR 8 60.58
13:54:00 - 14:01:00 20 David BONDAR CAN 9 60.30
14:01:00 - 14:08:00 21 Jakub LOFEK POL 7 60.78

14:08:00 - 14:23:00 Ice Resurfacing

14:23:00 - 14:29:00 Warm-Up Group 5 (7:23 am Eastern start time)
14:29:30 - 14:36:30 22 Konstantin SUPATASHVILI GEO 6 61.28
14:36:30 - 14:43:30 23 Lukas VACLAVIK SVK 4 65.04
14:43:30 - 14:50:30 24 Elias SAYED SWE 5 63.76
14:50:30 - 14:57:30 25 Rio NAKATA JPN 3 73.55
14:57:30 - 15:04:30 26 Daiya EBIHARA JPN 1 76.10
15:04:30 - 15:11:30 27 Minkyu SEO KOR 2 75.67

Starting order/Results: http://www.isuresults.com/results/season2324/jgptur2023/SEG002.htm

Livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfScDp2fZpw

 

[Sylvia]

Top 2 after the first 2 groups:

Kyrylo MARSAK UKR 159.99 21 1 (112.91 in FS)
Ean WEILER SUI 151.03 18 2 (103.12 in FS)

 

[airgelaal]

It’s nice to hear that Ukrainian skaters were able to find some support here. Not only Kyrylo was without his coach, but Taisiia too. But coaches from other countries did not leave them alone

 

[Frau Muller]

The audience is going nuts for its hometown hero, Incel.

 

[Hedwig]

Top 2 after the first 2 groups:

Kyrylo MARSAK UKR 159.99 21 1 (112.91 in FS)
Ean WEILER SUI 151.03 18 2 (103.12 in FS)

Ean again was my fave so far. Lots of issues with the landings of the jumps but that he will sort out in the future - but his general skating - jsut

 

[jlai]

Kai needs to skate with more knee bend, which will improve the security of his skating in general

 

[Frau Muller]

Great first minute, then downhill w falls (even in footwork), for Kai Kovar, to the American CLASSIC, Fix U (A la Knierim/Frazier)…
What he did well, tough, got him to first place so far!

 

[Sylvia]

Kai was so good (jump-wise) in winning Senior at Glacier Falls…

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

Kai - what a mess. This guy is 17 and can`t do the simplest combination. Falls. Step outs. Ted/Mark saying he`s better today than in the SP. Not good enough. We have no competitive junior men. Sanchez inconsistent, Strommer with no 3A, 17 yo Kai skating like a Advanced Novice. Xie down nin the niddle of the pack. Maybe USFS should start holding on to their money until they have skaters worth sending around the world.

 

[Sylvia]

You’re being too harsh, IMO.

Last night’s SP in a NYC comp.:

Jacob Sanchez, Hudson Valley FSC NY) 80.19 - 3Ab1, 3Lz, 3F+3T, level 4 on steps & all 3 spins

 

[Hedwig]

totally too harsh. Competing needs to trained as much as training the rest and you cannot really simulate this kind of high pressure situation.
And there is no gain in punishing skaters for high fan expectations. Rather one can look at training opporunities, camps abroad and so on to build a skating program.

 

[Hedwig]

How cool for the spectators to have a Turkish skater in the penultimate group!

 

[Wyliefan]

Mark and Ted are getting punchy.

 

[Sylvia]

And there is no gain in punishing skaters for high fan expectations.

 

[Sylvia]

Kulish previously represented Ukraine - saw him landing 4Lo cleanly in practice clips here.

 

[Sylvia]

Terry Jin’s parents made the trip from Canada to watch his JGP debut - 3rd photo on the Turkish fed’s IG post a few days ago: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cw5YOsfs5Le/

 

[her grace]

This has been a tough warm-up group.

 

[Wyliefan]

Yes it has. Lots of falling on nothing or falling on exits from elements. Or just plain falling.

And poor Bondar just fell on his ending pose!

 

[jlai]

((group of jr men))

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

You’re being too harsh, IMO.

Last night’s SP in a NYC comp.:

Perhaps. An 80 in a local or minor competitions can`t be compared an international score. USFS is one of the biggest federations. It should be expecting more. (I come from the classical music world. At 17 and you`re stumbling through your Beethoven sonata no named Conservatory will take you.)

 

[her grace]

Lofek

I liked his ending pose. Some nice sweeping movement, and he didn't fall as much as the others in this group!

 

[jlai]

I confess to having switched to Lombardia and having this group of men on mute. (Even the lower ranked dance teams are fun, hard to resist the 80s)

 

[Sylvia]

@SkateFanBerlin Jacob has the highest SP score (77.69) after the first 3 JGP comps (despite his 3Aq). With Kovar not performing up to his capabilities in Istanbul, Sanchez definitely should get a 2nd JGP - he’s currently a placeholder for #6 Gdansk.

 

[Karen-W]

Perhaps. An 80 in a local or minor competitions can`t be compared an international score. USFS is one of the biggest federations. It should be expecting more. (I come from the classical music world. At 17 and you`re stumbling through your Beethoven sonata no named Conservatory will take you.)

An 80 in junior men for the SP is brushing up near Malinin levels a couple years ago. It's a great score.