Grand Prix de France 2023 Men FS - “Rain in your Black Ice”

[Colonel Green]

304 point total score and not enough to win.

 

[Private Citizen]

Malinin making it look easy with just the tiniest error on the 3S and I’d want to see the quad toe combination on replay. It may be enough on the technical mark, but I don’t think the PCS should be close to Adam’s.

And good judging!

Not sure who said they were rethinking going to Worlds. I’d say go - amazing competition!

 

[made_in_canada]

Adam

 

[tony]

87 for PCS. Nope nope nope nope nope nope nope.

Anyone who has ever watched a single program of figure skating knows that this was nowhere near Kagiyama's quality and nowhere near the 9 PCS level.

 

[CassAgain]

Good, fair judging. What a great top four here!

 

[victorskid]

Final FS results:

1​	Adam SIAO HIM FA	FRA	205.71​	115.70​		90.01​	8.86​	9.21​	8.96​	0.00​	#11​
2​	Ilia MALININ	USA	203.10​	116.12​		86.98​	8.79​	8.79​	8.54​	0.00​	#12​
3​	Lukas BRITSCHGI	SUI	176.49​	94.54​		81.95​	8.18​	8.25​	8.18​	0.00​	#9​
4​	Yuma KAGIYAMA	JPN	175.23​	86.38​		88.85​	8.82​	8.75​	9.11​	0.00​	#10​
5​	Luc ECONOMIDES	FRA	153.75​	79.19​		74.56​	7.46​	7.61​	7.32​	0.00​	#4​
6​	Landry le MAY	FRA	147.84​	79.45​		68.39​	6.71​	6.79​	7.04​	0.00​	#2​
7​	Camden PULKINEN	USA	147.40​	74.47​		74.93​	7.43​	7.50​	7.57​	2.00​	#7​
8​	Boyang JIN	CHN	145.36​	76.44​		69.92​	6.86​	6.89​	7.25​	1.00​	#6​
9​	Nikolaj MEMOLA	ITA	143.71​	74.25​		69.46​	6.79​	7.00​	7.07​	0.00​	#1​
10​	Stephen GOGOLEV	CAN	142.60​	71.97​		70.63​	7.18​	6.89​	7.14​	0.00​	#8​
11​	Koshiro SHIMADA	JPN	137.88​	65.71​		73.17​	7.36​	7.11​	7.50​	1.00​	#5​
12​	Takeru Amine KATAISE	JPN	136.48​	67.14​		71.34​	7.14​	6.96​	7.32​	2.00​	#3​

Overall results:

1	Adam SIAO HIM FA	FRA	306.78	2	1
2	Ilia MALININ	USA	304.68	1	2
3	Yuma KAGIYAMA	JPN	273.14	3	4
4	Lukas BRITSCHGI	SUI	263.43	4	3
5	Camden PULKINEN	USA	230.84	6	7
6	Luc ECONOMIDES	FRA	230.74	9	5
7	Stephen GOGOLEV	CAN	228.74	5	10
8	Boyang JIN	CHN	226.79	7	8
9	Landry le MAY	FRA	219.04	11	6
10	Koshiro SHIMADA	JPN	217.18	8	11
11	Nikolaj MEMOLA	ITA	214.63	12	9
12	Takeru Amine KATAISE	JPN	212.75	10	12

Protocol links: http://www.isuresults.com/results/s...------FNL-000100--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf

 

[Wyliefan]

That's fair. Ilia really pushed himself to meet the challenge, and he came close, but Adam was incredibly hard to beat. Great competition.

Who had Isabeau coming out of this one with gold and Ilia with silver?

 

[jenny12]

PCS still too high for Ilia but I’m glad to see Adam win.

 

[Dobre]

Bravo, Adam, and bravo to the judges. This was a heck of an event, well scored, and this home skate was truly a personal achievement.

 

[itsartemis]

ADAM!!!!! Yes, yes, yes! He won on home ice, and deservedly so! So happy for him. doing a little dance in front of the TV

 

[Lilia A]

Judges got it right! Adam was delightful and the rightful winner. Ilia has improved a lot, but he's not quite there yet. Yuma, all I want is for him to fully recover from his injuries and rule over the world. Is that too much to ask?

 

[Private Citizen]

Who had Isabeau coming out of this one with gold and Ilia with silver?

Not totally unexpected. Adam has been on fire this season, and Ilia is jumping very conservatively for him.

 

[Holy Headband]

I refuse to be grateful to the judges for stopping just short of committing every crime they could think of when I just know they'll be pushing +5s and 9s with their eyes closed for Shoma next week, but like, I'm glad the right skater won today...

 

[Matryeshka]

I just SCREAMMMEEEDDD. My poor dogs are now used to my reactions; they just rolled over and harrumphed.

 

[Colonel Green]

Who had Isabeau coming out of this one with gold and Ilia with silver?

Ilia losing is definitely unexpected, but I would have said that Isabeau was the favourite going in, base on how Hae-in has been skating thus far this season.

 

[tony]

Ilia might have to seriously reconsider not including the 4A. He might be mad about the BV, but he still needs all the points he can get.

I still wish his PCS was down in the low 80s, because it's giving false representation of improvement when there wasn't that much between last year and this year.

 

[Cachoo]

Well that was certainly a pleasing competition—looking forward to the top four on down the line.

 

[rfisher]

I want to know who would have thought Ilia's parents would produce a phenom back when they were competing? Who said, wow, if they have a kid, they'll be a potential Olympic medalist?

 

[Primorskaya]

I am pleased with the judging . Great competition, they all really wanted it and that's fantastic for us!

 

[peibeck]

Ilia qualifies for the GPF with a lot of time to work on what he needs to finesse. How much it will develop between now and then... TBD.

 

[Karen-W]

Fair result. Ilia skated lights out and didn't lose focus. He still has work to do, and Adam was on fire today.

Ought to be interesting to see how Shoma is looking next week, but I wouldn't mind seeing a Worlds podium next March with today's medalists on it.

 

[Rukia]

I'm not sure Ilia getting silver is unexpected. I knew if Adam skated like he had been lately he was going to be very difficult for Ilia to beat. Adam has just been that good lately.

 

[Jammers]

Ilia might have to seriously reconsider not including the 4A. He might be mad about the BV, but he still needs all the points he can get.

I still wish his PCS was down in the low 80s, because it's giving false representation of improvement when there wasn't that much between last year and this year.

Why include the 4A if they aren't going to give him the points he deserves being the only skater who has ever landed it?

 

[thvu]

Ilia might have to seriously reconsider not including the 4A. He might be mad about the BV, but he still needs all the points he can get.

I still wish his PCS was down in the low 80s, because it's giving false representation of improvement when there wasn't that much between last year and this year.

This program is definitely not his Salome moment. That step sequence is supposed to be a highlight, but Ilia just cannot express the melancholy in the Succession soundtrack.

It reminds of when Tat was talking about how she choreographed and helped Kovtun with his expression. He didn't have the life experience to express the emotions and story needed, so she told him "think about a car you really want". This is Ilia's problem right now.

 

[tony]

Why include the 4A if they aren't going to give him the points he deserves being the only skater who has ever landed it?

So that he can potentially actually win? Is this a serious question?

He might think the points aren't fair, but the result could've been different today had he landed it. So those points are worth something.

 

[rfisher]

Ilia might have to seriously reconsider not including the 4A. He might be mad about the BV, but he still needs all the points he can get.

I still wish his PCS was down in the low 80s, because it's giving false representation of improvement when there wasn't that much between last year and this year.

If I were his team, I'd add it back given the GP series is half over and they should have a good idea of the level of competition. His TES is his strength. Of course, the long term goal is the Olympics and that's when he has to reach his peak performance level.

 

[PRlady]

That was epic.

Ilia is four years younger than Adam, who did not skate like this at age 18. Absolutely the right result today. If Yuma had landed all his jumps, I’d have him in second and Ilia in third.

It just takes longer for the guys to become complete skaters. Even Yuzu changed over time.

 

[Private Citizen]

Malinin doing “only” four quads isn’t going to hold him up over other skaters like Siao Him Fa who are also doing four (beautiful) quads. He needs to put in one more - whether it’s loop (which he has been working on), flip, or axel. It would’ve made the difference today.

 

[Matryeshka]

I'm not sure Ilia getting silver is unexpected. I knew if Adam skated like he had been lately he was going to be very difficult for Ilia to beat. Adam has just been that good lately.

I don't think the issue was whether or not Adam should beat Ilia, but would the judges allow him to beat Ilia.

 

[peibeck]

Camden got the blessing of the skate gods today: seventh in the free and moving UP to fifth overall.