Grand Prix De France 2023- Men SP “It’s Raining Men”

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SP results:

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1​	Ilia MALININ	USA	101.58​	59.52​		43.06​	8.64​	8.64​	8.50​	1.00​	#12​
2​	Adam SIAO HIM FA	FRA	101.07​	57.70​		43.37​	8.54​	8.79​	8.64​	0.00​	#11​
3​	Yuma KAGIYAMA	JPN	97.91​	53.96​		43.95​	8.75​	8.57​	9.00​	0.00​	#7​
4​	Lukas BRITSCHGI	SUI	86.94​	46.74​		40.20​	8.00​	8.21​	7.86​	0.00​	#10​
5​	Stephen GOGOLEV	CAN	86.14​	50.17​		35.97​	7.29​	7.04​	7.21​	0.00​	#4​
6​	Camden PULKINEN	USA	83.44​	44.73​		38.71​	7.61​	7.82​	7.75​	0.00​	#8​
7​	Boyang JIN	CHN	81.43​	46.16​		36.27​	7.25​	7.18​	7.29​	1.00​	#5​
8​	Koshiro SHIMADA	JPN	79.30​	40.36​		38.94​	7.64​	7.93​	7.75​	0.00​	#6​
9​	Luc ECONOMIDES	FRA	76.99​	41.69​		35.30​	6.75​	7.25​	7.14​	0.00​	#3​
10​	Takeru Amine KATAISE	JPN	76.27​	40.24​		36.03​	7.11​	7.18​	7.29​	0.00​	#2​
11​	Landry le MAY	FRA	71.20​	38.08​		34.12​	6.82​	6.75​	6.86​	1.00​	#1​
12​	Nikolaj MEMOLA	ITA	70.92​	35.43​		36.49​	7.39​	7.21​	7.25​	1.00​	#9​

Protocols link: http://www.isuresults.com/results/s...------QUAL000100--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf

 

[Wyliefan]

1st place ... by a hair. Well, that gives folks something to talk about while they're waiting for the the pairs sp to start.

And boy, will they.

 

[PRlady]

Half a point. I’d have gone the other way but it’s all coming down to the FS anyway. Some amazing skating in that comp!

 

[Primorskaya]

By .51. Yeah.

 

[Rukia]

I know Yuma won the pcs but consider it's not high enough for me still

 

[Primorskaya]

What's the Russian word for f*ck?

He earned more points on the GOE in the combo than that random fall cost him.

I can give you several choice equivalents all running through my head now, and not just in Russian.

 

[Sally1214]

Although all the talk is going to be about whether Adam or Ilia should be in 1st after the SP, I'd just like to go on record as saying I'm in total agreement with Yuma getting the top components scores in this segment of the competition. He was FANTASTIC!

 

[Holy Headband]

I know Yuma won the pcs but consider it's not high enough for me still

Less than one point on Malinin with a fall is pure clownery.

 

[Sally1214]

I know Yuma won the pcs but consider it's not high enough for me still

I am in agreement with your opinion. The judges were a tad stingy with the pcs for Yuma's performance.

 

[Karen-W]

What's the Russian word for f*ck?

He earned more points on the GOE in the combo than that random fall cost him.

That combo was a thing of beauty - and much better than Adam's combo. I daresay whatever bonus Adam got for doing his combo in the 2nd half, Ilia made up the difference in the sheer quality of his combo.

Ilia also got lucky that the tech panel considered the fall as not a part of his step sequence, otherwise it would have cost him more (and the lead).

 

[Wyliefan]

I'll agree it could easily have gone the other way. But I'll also say this: With all the "ADAM IS PERFECTION EMBODIED" going on, I had to wonder if y'all saw the same combination I did.

 

[Rukia]

I'll agree it could easily have gone the other way. But I'll also say this: With all the "ADAM IS PERFECTION EMBODIED" going on, I had to wonder if y'all saw the same combination I did.

lol I don't think he's perfection but his skating is much smoother and faster and yeah the combo was a little muscled but it was still ok

 

[skatingguy]

I can't get on board with Malinin's components being in the same range as Kagiyama's, and Siao Him Fa's. Yes, he's improved but there's still a noticeable gap between Malinin and those guys. Clearly the French need to work on their home cooking with that score for Saio Him Fa. Maybe they need to bring back Didier? j/k

 

[Holy Headband]

The Japanese judge put Yuma in 1st. Finally some shameless behaviour from JSF. I like it

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720491981367865662

 

[skatingguy]

I'll agree it could easily have gone the other way. But I'll also say this: With all the "ADAM IS PERFECTION EMBODIED" going on, I had to wonder if y'all saw the same combination I did.

Did you see the same fall that the rest of us did? Fall in the program beats muscled combination in terms of deductions.

 

[rfisher]

That combo was a thing of beauty - and much better than Adam's combo. I daresay whatever bonus Adam got for doing his combo in the 2nd half, Ilia made up the difference in the sheer quality of his combo.

Ilia also got lucky that the tech panel considered the fall as not a part of his step sequence, otherwise it would have cost him more (and the lead).

It's a real competition when the top skaters are pretty much equal in overall skating with each having their own strength. Winning can come down to the luck of the day.

 

[Rukia]

The Japanese judge put Yuma in 1st. Finally some shameless behaviour from JSF. I like it

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720491981367865662

Chinese judge also being a real one good for them

 

[thvu]

That combo was a thing of beauty - and much better than Adam's combo. I daresay whatever bonus Adam got for doing his combo in the 2nd half, Ilia made up the difference in the sheer quality of his combo.

Adam doesn't have any jumps in the 2nd half of the program. Pretty much gives up 1.37 points for that.

 

[Karen-W]

Did you see the same fall that the rest of us did? Fall in the program beats muscled combination in terms of deductions.

Lolololol... not all falls are equal and you've watched enough skating to know this. Ilia's fall barely interrupted the flow of his program and, more importantly, it was not on a required element. Yes, it did impact the GOE on his step sequence, which was a bit stumbly at the start as a result of the fall on the transition, but ultimately, it wasn't going to be as impactful to his overall score as a fall on a jump would have been.

 

[barbk]

Lolololol... not all falls are equal and you've watched enough skating to know this. Ilia's fall barely interrupted the flow of his program and, more importantly, it was not on a required element. Yes, it did impact the GOE on his step sequence, which was a bit stumbly at the start as a result of the fall on the transition, but ultimately, it wasn't going to be as impactful to his overall score as a fall on a jump would have been.

Wasn't it considered to be on his step sequence?

 

[skatingguy]

Lolololol... not all falls are equal and you've watched enough skating to know this. Ilia's fall barely interrupted the flow of his program and, more importantly, it was not on a required element. Yes, it did impact the GOE on his step sequence, which was a bit stumbly at the start as a result of the fall on the transition, but ultimately, it wasn't going to be as impactful to his overall score as a fall on a jump would have been.

I know, I know. Just give me my overreaction - tis the season.

 

[Karen-W]

Wasn't it on his step sequence?

Nope. The tech panel determined it was before the step sequence started.

ETA - I stand corrected. I just looked at the protocol, and it was counted as a fall on that element. But, the negative GOE was only 1.17, so it wasn't as bad as a fall on a jump.

 

[skatingguy]

Wasn't it considered to be on his step sequence?

It was.

 

[skatingguy]

Nope. The tech panel determined it was before the step sequence started.

Not according to the protocol.

 

[tony]

Nope. The tech panel determined it was before the step sequence started.

Wrong, as denoted by the GOE and the F next to the element

 

[Primorskaya]

But as always nobody disputes Ilya can jump, and then some. It's the way his marks go up across the board just because he can jump, that annoys. There should be more of a gap between his and Adam's not to mention Yuma's, who's first on PCS but not by enough imo.

 

[Karen-W]

Not according to the protocol.

Wrong, as denoted by the GOE and the F next to the element

Yeah, yeah, I went and looked at the protocol after I replied and corrected my post, lol.

 

[jenny12]

Less than one point on Malinin with a fall is pure clownery.

Agreed. The difference in quality is frankly ridiculous as is the lack of difference in the score.

 

[Holy Headband]

Kinda funny that we're all fuming that Yuma was robbed, underscored and disrespected when he would have probably won the SP if he'd done a 4-3 combo with zero GOE. The judges love quads, we all know this.

 

[Wyliefan]

I do agree that PCS is far too tied to TES and has been for far too long. And it would have been totally fair for Adam to take it on PCS. I'm just saying that, if you go by what they did technically, Ilia did enough to more than make up for the fall.